Are you allowed by the rules to combine feats like Perfect Strike and Crushing Blow into a single attack?
What about combining Crushing Blow and Vital Strike?
When are feats NOT allowed to be combined if they are?
Are you allowed by the rules to combine feats like Perfect Strike and Crushing Blow into a single attack?
Crushing Blow: "You can make a Stunning Fist attempt as a full-round action."
Stunning Fist: "Stunning Fist forces a foe damaged by your unarmed attack to..."
Perfect Strike: "You must declare that you are using this feat before you make your attack roll (thus a failed attack roll ruins the attempt). You must use one of the following weapons to make the attack: kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, and siangham."
Crushing Blow only works with Stunning Fist, which requires an unarmed strike. Perfect Strike only works with specific weapons, which does not include unarmed strike.
What about combining Crushing Blow and Vital Strike?
Crushing Blow: "You can make a Stunning Fist attempt as a full-round action."
Vital Strike: "When you use the attack action..."
The attack action is a specific standard action. You cannot take both a standard action and a full-round action at the same time.
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Better yet, I'll tell you how to tell for yourself.
• Some feats say "as a standard action, do X" or "as a full-round action, do Y". In this case, the effect provided by the feat is self-contained. It's not a modification of an existing option (like a charge or a full-attack or an Attack Action or an AoO), it's just its own thing. It won't combine with a second feat unless that second feat is applying a blanket modification to all of something (say, all your attacks).
• Some feats apply universally to your attacks (or some other category of events/abilities/etc). This will use very universal language like "your attacks do X" (like Weapon Focus). Feats like this are the only ones that will ever combine with the first bullet point, above.
• Some feats will modify certain types of attacks, specified in the feat. These will contain text like "whenever you make a full-attack action", or "as an attack action", or "whenever you make an AoO". These feats only affect that particular method of attack. As such, they won't combine with other feats unless (a) the other feat is in the second category, above; or (b) both feats affect the same type of attack (like if they both modify the attack action).
I think that covers everything. Have fun!
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There goes Jiggy, teaching people to fish.
The key is to just give them fish, then they become dependent on you, and you can jack up the price of future fish and have an army of fish-loving slaves.
There goes Jiggy, teaching people to fish.
The key is to just give them fish, then they become dependent on you, and you can jack up the price of future fish and have an army of fish-loving slaves.
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Thank you again as I believe you've answered a previous question of mine?Jiggy
I don't enjoy fishing but I sure like your teaching "Master", * I grab the pebble now*
Are you allowed by the rules to combine feats like Perfect Strike and Crushing Blow into a single attack?Crushing Blow: "You can make a Stunning Fist attempt as a full-round action."
Stunning Fist: "Stunning Fist forces a foe damaged by your unarmed attack to..."
Perfect Strike: "You must declare that you are using this feat before you make your attack roll (thus a failed attack roll ruins the attempt). You must use one of the following weapons to make the attack: kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, and siangham."
Crushing Blow only works with Stunning Fist, which requires an unarmed strike. Perfect Strike only works with specific weapons, which does not include unarmed strike.
So can you buy a Ki-Focus kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, or siangham and use that to combine Crushing Blow wih Perfect Strike? I'm a little confused on if the wording of Ki Focus let's this work:
Ki Focus: The magic weapon serves as a channel for the wielder's ki, allowing her to use her special ki attacks through the weapon as if they were unarmed attacks. These attacks include the monk's ki strike, quivering palm, and the Stunning Fist feat (including any condition that the monk can apply using this feat). Only melee weapons can have the ki focus ability.
I keep at it because a few years back there was this one guy who listened and benefitted, and I keep thinking maybe someday there will be another, and maybe even another after that.
Jiggy
I'm your guy as I'm very serious about becoming one of the best GM's in my region. To prive the point see my world class recently constructed game:http://offbeathome.com/2012/09/medieval-game-room#comments
I hope within 2 years to be as good a GM as my room is a fun 13th Century medieval tavern gaming room. ;) Be sure to check on the Flickr photos at the bottom of the feature story.
Perfect Strike though still need to know is it one attack ONLY or can you use it with a flurry attempt?
So can you buy a Ki-Focus kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, or siangham and use that to combine Crushing Blow wih Perfect Strike?
Looks perfectly legal.
Ki Focus lets you use Stunning Fist with the weapon, Crushing Blow uses Stunning Fist, and Perfect Strike lets you roll an attack with that weapon twice.
Perfect Strike though still need to know is it one attack ONLY or can you use it with a flurry attempt?
Yes, and yes.
Perfect Strike: "You may attempt a perfect attack once per day for every four levels you have attained (but see Special), and no more than once per round."
It doesn't use an action, so you can use Perfect Strike on any attack roll made with one of those weapons. This means if you use Flurry of Blows, and one of the attacks you make with your flurry uses one of those weapons, then you can use Perfect Strike with that attack. However, even if all of your flurry attacks are made with that weapon, you can still only use Perfect Strike once per round.
yes, YES, eat my fish, my tasty sweet fish... *waggles tentacles and eyes nearby burrow*
Perfect Strike though still need to know is it one attack ONLY or can you use it with a flurry attempt?
Perfect strike can be used in a flurry or any other attack action, as it only affects a single attack roll (notice no mention of actions in the feat).
The limitations are:- Only certain weapons must be used.
- Only once per round.
Better yet, I'll tell you how to tell for yourself.
• Some feats say "as a standard action, do X" or "as a full-round action, do Y". In this case, the effect provided by the feat is self-contained. It's not a modification of an existing option (like a charge or a full-attack or an Attack Action or an AoO), it's just its own thing. It won't combine with a second feat unless that second feat is applying a blanket modification to all of something (say, all your attacks).
• Some feats apply universally to your attacks (or some other category of events/abilities/etc). This will use very universal language like "your attacks do X" (like Weapon Focus). Feats like this are the only ones that will ever combine with the first bullet point, above.
• Some feats will modify certain types of attacks, specified in the feat. These will contain text like "whenever you make a full-attack action", or "as an attack action", or "whenever you make an AoO". These feats only affect that particular method of attack. As such, they won't combine with other feats unless (a) the other feat is in the second category, above; or (b) both feats affect the same type of attack (like if they both modify the attack action).
I think that covers everything. Have fun!
Jiggy,
Can you give two examples of each bullet point for us uneducated newbie GM's. I understand what your explaining but some examples would give more clarity!
Cleave uses "as a standard action. Therefore it can't be used with a full round attack.
Charge while not a feat uses "as a full round action".
Improved Critical is a good one for the second bullet since it always in play, assuming you have the correct weapon of course
The 3rd bullet would be something like Manyshot since it activates on a full round attack which is also full round action.
Vital Strike uses the "as an attack action" phrase. Well actually it says "When you use the attack action", but the intent is the same.
Furious Focus only works with Power attack(another feat) so if you are not power attack then furious focus is not in play.
I keep at it because a few years back there was this one guy who listened and benefitted, and I keep thinking maybe someday there will be another, and maybe even another after that.Jiggy
I'm your guy as I'm very serious about becoming one of the best GM's in my region. To prive the point see my world class recently constructed game:http://offbeathome.com/2012/09/medieval-game-room#comments
I hope within 2 years to be as good a GM as my room is a fun 13th Century medieval tavern gaming room. ;) Be sure to check on the Flickr photos at the bottom of the feature story.
Dude thats fantastic!
Dude thats fantastic!I keep at it because a few years back there was this one guy who listened and benefitted, and I keep thinking maybe someday there will be another, and maybe even another after that.Jiggy
I'm your guy as I'm very serious about becoming one of the best GM's in my region. To prive the point see my world class recently constructed game:http://offbeathome.com/2012/09/medieval-game-room#comments
I hope within 2 years to be as good a GM as my room is a fun 13th Century medieval tavern gaming room. ;) Be sure to check on the Flickr photos at the bottom of the feature story.
I agree. I wish I had the skill or money to have this done.
@Monkplayer: that tavern room of endless joy. It is amazing.
Holy shit!!! That's all kinds of awesome!
It must have taken a great investment in both time and money. I congratulate you for achieving such thing.
I noticed you have more than 1 exemplar of some books, are they different edition or is it just so more than one player can use them at a time?
Holy s$#%!!! That's all kinds of awesome!
It must have taken a great investment in both time and money. I congratulate you for achieving such thing.
I noticed you have more than 1 exemplar of some books, are they different edition or is it just so more than one player can use them at a time?
I have several editions of each books so my brand new gamers can use the books before deciding if they want to pursue role-playing as an ongoing hobby.
Thank to everyone for your compliments on my room. I still get giddy when I walk in there even though the rooms been done for 6 months.