Archetypes that change primary stat(s)?


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I'm curious, besides the two sorcerer wild blooded bloodlines that change the sorcerer's casting stat (and all other class features) stat from CHA to WiS or INT what other archetypes (or other options if any) make similar major changes to a class?

I know a couple of gunslinger archetypes make a similar change from WIS to CHA are there any other examples?

I ask because such archetypes potentially open up some less MAD multiclass options.

Grand Lodge

Scarred Witch Doctor Orc archetype from Advanced Race Guide.


There was a Oracle mystery or something that lets you swap charisma for dex.

(PS: The Scarred Witch Doctor scares me. She can get just as much HP as a barbarian and not suffer the consequences of piling con as a int caster.)


Which Oracle mystery? And what class is the scarred witch doctor an archetype for?

Grand Lodge

Witch.


The Nature Mystery has a revelation called Nature's Whispers that lets you use Cha for AC instead of Dex. Max Dex from armor still applies. The Sidestep Secret revelation of the Lore mystery does the same.

Sovereign Court

Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:
The Nature Mystery has a revelation called Nature's Whispers that lets you use Cha for AC instead of Dex. Max Dex from armor still applies. The Sidestep Secret revelation of the Lore mystery does the same.

Nature's Whispers also lets you add Cha to your CMD while Sidestep Secret lets you add Cha to Reflex saves as well.

Also, Mysterious Stranger lets you use Cha instead of Wis for Grit.


Sensei Monk lets you use Wis for attack rolls, Zen Archer lets you use Wis for bow attacks.
If you are switching out Cha for Dex via Lore/Nature Oracle or such, you might also want the Noble Scion feat from ISWG (choosing War) that lets you use Cha instead of Dex for Initiative.
Then of course there are all the things that let you use a stat for one thing:
Paladin: +Cha to saves
Monk: +Wis to AC
Kensai Magus: +Int to AC
Inquisitor: +Wis to initiative
Wisdom in the Flesh Trait: +wis instead of Dex/Str for a specific skill
etc


*digs through the forum* I know they're in here somewhere... *digs some more* I wish we could get one of these stickied... Ah, here it is. *uncovers gold*

I know I've posted in at least one other too.

Found it.


Thanks but what I was mostly looking for were examples of archetypes that change the primary stat of that class. Ie the Sage wild blooded sorcerer archetype is an INT based sorcerer which is a strange but interesting thing.


Zen Archer, Wild-Blooded Sorcerer (Celestial/Empyreal), Arcane Archer. Just put everything in Wisdom.

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