Is it about my positioning (still have to draw the line between me and an ally through foe's square), am I considered to be standing in any area I threaten for purposes of flanking or what?
When making a melee attack, you get a +2 flanking bonus if your opponent is threatened by another enemy character or creature on its opposite border or opposite corner.
When in doubt about whether two characters flank an opponent in the middle, trace an imaginary line between the two attackers' centers. If the line passes through opposite borders of the opponent's space (including corners of those borders), then the opponent is flanked.
You must have a direct line from your center to your ally's center that passes through opposite borders or corners. Reference the PRD diagram regarding flanking for clarification, specifically of the Sorceror being flanked by the Goblin and Ogre as this shows the Reach relationship with flanking.
You must have a direct line from your center to your ally's center that passes through opposite borders or corners. Reference the PRD diagram regarding flanking for clarification, specifically of the Sorceror being flanked by the Goblin and Ogre as this shows the Reach relationship with flanking.When making a melee attack, you get a +2 flanking bonus if your opponent is threatened by another enemy character or creature on its opposite border or opposite corner.
When in doubt about whether two characters flank an opponent in the middle, trace an imaginary line between the two attackers' centers. If the line passes through opposite borders of the opponent's space (including corners of those borders), then the opponent is flanked.
And that applies no matter how far away you are so long as you threaten the square the target is in?
Consider this chart (might want to plot it on graph paper or something):
O O O O A
F G O O A
O O O O A
O = Emprty 5' square
F = Fighter
G = Goblin
A = Archer with the Improved Snap Shot feat
From the way it plots to me, from the center of any square containing 'A' to the center of the square containing 'F', the target 'G' is considered flanked.
You cannot flank-to-get-sneak-attack at range. The snap shot line of feats does not change this. Flanking attacks are strictly melee only.
From what I can tell. you can grant an ally a flanking bonus but do not gain it yourself. You are threatening but you have melee weapon which is required to get the flanking bonus. Nothing in either feat modifies that.
Not that I'm challenging you, but I can't find that rule requiring a melee weapon.
You cannot flank-to-get-sneak-attack at range. The snap shot line of feats does not change this. Flanking attacks are strictly melee only.
Not worried about Sneak Attacks from the Archer though that is an interesting point.
So in the example above, the Fighter would get a Flanking bonus but the Archer would not, and if the Fighter were a Rogue instead, then he would gain the ability to Sneak Attack, correct?
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First words: "When making a melee attack, you get a +2 flanking bonus if your opponent is threatened by another enemy character or creature on its opposite border or opposite corner."
So yes, no flanking bonus for archer but the fighter would flank and the round could sneak attack.
First words: "When making a melee attack, you get a +2 flanking bonus if your opponent is threatened by another enemy character or creature on its opposite border or opposite corner."
Yeah, I'm thinking that's a little too ambiguous - what else you got?
;-P
Guess sometimes things are too obvious, eh?
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Cheapy & Seraphim are correct. In fact I think it was Cheapy who spelled it out for me in a similar thread I started.
The Archer can threaten from 15', which grants the Fighter a flanking bonus (on account of melee attack), but the Archer is not flanking (on account of the ranged attack).
I read that entry for years without properly grasping the context (forest for the trees type of thing), of course it was never really a problem until Snap Shot & Improved were published.
The Archer does not get flanking bonuses because he is making a ranged attack, not a melee attack. However, since the Archer is still counted as threatening the square (and being on an opposing end of the target), the other characters who make melee attacks do get the flanking bonuses because they are making melee attacks.
True. However, such a feat is not present in PFS scenarios, as it is a third party feat.
Should homebrew/casual sessions include 3rd party content, it would be viable, though.