Skulking slayer 2nd lvl feat useless?


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Skulking slayer gets Surprise Follow-Through at second level, which modifies the use of Cleave. But a rogue can't have cleave yet, so this is just a dead feat until you get cleave? Or does it allow you to cleave?


It lets you choose it as a rogue talent. It does not give it to you. Hope that helps!


Cheapy wrote:
It lets you choose it as a rogue talent. It does not give it to you. Hope that helps!

That still doesn't answer the question. It let's you select it at 2nd level, but you already could select a combat feat as a rogue talent, so presumably this gets around the prereqs. But is it useless until you get cleave? If so, why offer this at 2nd level?


It says nothing about being able to ignore prerequisites when you choose it as a rogue talent. You can't select it as a rogue talent until you meet the prerequisites.


Why it's offered as a rogue talent: So you can use the Bonus Feat talent for another feat. Same reason for the weapon finesse rogue talent.

Why it's given at 2nd level: because that's when they get the rogue talent class feature, which this modifies. A fighter 1 / rogue 2 can easily meet the requirements at 2nd rogue level.

Why the improved version is given at 10th level: that's when they get advanced rogue talents and to save your Advanced Rogue Talent bonus feat.


Surprise Follow-Through (Combat, Orc/Half-Orc)

When striking one opponent, you catch its ally off guard.

Prerequisites: Str 13, Cleave, Power Attack, base attack bonus +1.

Benefit: When using Cleave or Great Cleave, the second foe you attack on your turn is denied its Dexterity bonus against you.

With the ability the rogue gets, I would tend to read that as:

Benefit: The second foe you attack on your turn is denied its Dexterity bonus against you.

Otherwise.. its sorta meh to get.


Cheapy wrote:
It says nothing about being able to ignore prerequisites when you choose it as a rogue talent. You can't select it as a rogue talent until you meet the prerequisites.

That makes more sense. The language doesn't really say that, though. It just says 'at level two, you may chose this.' I also forgot that you can't take the feat talent multiple times...


You could select it as a 2nd level Rogue if you are a multiclass. The Rogue talents only take into account Rogue levels, but you can have other levels first.


Either way you go 1 lvl fighter 2 lvl rogue or 3 lvl rogue you need 3 levels. I'd go 3 levels of rogue and get your 2nd sneak attack die. So second level power attack third level cleave and Surprise Follow-Through (Combat, Orc/Half-Orc) as per 3rd level general feat.(rogue talent/combat feat).

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OK, so this alters the Feat 'Surprise Follow Through' to become a Rogue Talent. So I don't have to use the Rogue Talent 'Combat Trick' in order to get it as a rogue talent. Thanks for the info everyone! I was having the same mind warp as the OP. I knew that it could not possibly give me the feat...just made no sense at first.


Jeff Clem wrote:
Either way you go 1 lvl fighter 2 lvl rogue or 3 lvl rogue you need 3 levels. I'd go 3 levels of rogue and get your 2nd sneak attack die. So second level power attack third level cleave and Surprise Follow-Through (Combat, Orc/Half-Orc) as per 3rd level general feat.(rogue talent/combat feat).

i dont under stand how you are doing this in 3 lvls of rogue.

lvl 1 feat of choice do not have bab +1 so none will matter.
lvl 2 take surprise follow-through as your rogue talent.
lvl 3 power attack
lvl 4 cleave with rogue talent combat feat.

4 lvls of rogue this is the only way i can see getting it the fastest if you go all rogue.


Funny, I had to work out the same logic that Cheapy states just this past week! My wife wanted us to make some new PFS characters designed as a brother-sister team in combat, and she liked the idea of a Skulking Slayer/Scout rogue, but had similar questions about how the first of those archetypes worked.

rabbedrabit wrote:
Jeff Clem wrote:
Either way you go 1 lvl fighter 2 lvl rogue or 3 lvl rogue you need 3 levels. I'd go 3 levels of rogue and get your 2nd sneak attack die. So second level power attack third level cleave and Surprise Follow-Through (Combat, Orc/Half-Orc) as per 3rd level general feat.(rogue talent/combat feat).

i dont under stand how you are doing this in 3 lvls of rogue.

lvl 1 feat of choice do not have bab +1 so none will matter.
lvl 2 take surprise follow-through as your rogue talent.
lvl 3 power attack
lvl 4 cleave with rogue talent combat feat.

4 lvls of rogue this is the only way i can see getting it the fastest if you go all rogue.

I think you mean: 2nd rogue talent (combat trick: Power Attack); 3rd feat (Cleave); 4th rogue talent (Surprise Follow-Through). But yeah, still requires 4 levels if single-classed core rogue.

(I don't own Unchained, so don't know if that would change anything--or even how archetypes interact with the Unchained classes.)

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