The answer is;
No,
They do not have Automatic Weapon and Armour proficiencies,
as it only applies to outsiders with RACIAL hit dice,
aasimar and tieflings don't have any racial Hit dice.
Where are people getting the tie to HD? I'm not seeing any reference to HD in the cited rules. Is it somewhere else?
It's in a few places (can't recall where), I know one was in the Ask JJ thread somewhere.
*gong sounds*
JJ's link
Another link.
*bows*
Search-fu practice over. Soon I will be a search-fu master and avenge my Oracle who didn't realize Spiritual Weapon applies to Wisdom and only Wisdom.
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I disagree. If you look in the PRD, and go to Aasimar, for example. They are Outsider (Native). If you click on Outsider, it shows you the traits of that Creature Type. If you click on Native, it tells you about the Subtype.
Since an Aasimar or a Tiefling are both Native Outsiders, they acquire the traits and abilities of both types, as well as the detractors (No Enlarge Person, for example).
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Forgive my asking, but has anybody got anything other than a couple of forum posts -- not in the PFS section -- by the Creative Director? Like, anything by anybody on the development team? Anything in an FAQ?
From time to time, campaign management staff may answer questions regarding campaign policy on the official Pathfinder Society messageboards at paizo.com. While these answers give you a good idea of the opinions of the staff on issues important to campaign play and may provide an idea of upcoming changes to the rules of the campaign, no change is to be considered official until it appears either in the most recent update to the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play (this booklet) or in the official campaign FAQ. Event coordinators are encouraged to print an up-to-date copy of both documents and have them handy for players and Game Masters to reference throughout their event.
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I disagree.As per the 4.2 Guide, now that you're aware of the clarification linked in the post before yours, that's the ruling: no type-based proficiencies.
James Jacobs clarifications are like the old Sage Advice columns by Skip Williams. Incredibly useful to stop an argument over how something works or interacts with each other. But not a rules clarification insomuch as PFS is concerned. Guide 4.2 is referring to actual rules clarifications by the developers of the game rules and by campaign staff for PFS specific clarifications.
If that's the case, I guess fail to see how this is a PFS-specific question? There's nothing about this that would be exclusive to just PFS. If they said they shouldn't get the proficiency in the main game, why would they just for PFS? Perhaps we should get an FAQ put in for main rules, and not just PFS.
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James Jacobs clarifications are like the old Sage Advice columns by Skip Williams. Incredibly useful to stop an argument over how something works or interacts with each other. But not a rules clarification insomuch as PFS is concerned. Guide 4.2 is referring to actual rules clarifications by the developers of the game rules and by campaign staff for PFS specific clarifications.
Even if we presume that folks like SKR and JBulmahn "outrank" JJ, he still outranks all the VOs who don't actually work for Paizo.
If the question at hand had one answer from JJ and a contradicting one from SKR, we could debate who "wins". But between JJ and VOs, with no other Paizo commentary? JJ's is the most "official" word we have.
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James Jacobs clarifications are like the old Sage Advice columns by Skip Williams. Incredibly useful to stop an argument over how something works or interacts with each other. But not a rules clarification insomuch as PFS is concerned. Guide 4.2 is referring to actual rules clarifications by the developers of the game rules and by campaign staff for PFS specific clarifications.Even if we presume that folks like SKR and JBulmahn "outrank" JJ, he still outranks all the VOs who don't actually work for Paizo.
If the question at hand had one answer from JJ and a contradicting one from SKR, we could debate who "wins". But between JJ and VOs, with no other Paizo commentary? JJ's is the most "official" word we have.
I don't think it's a question of rank. It's more a question of who at Paizo is qualified to provide rules answers and making sure there is consistency. It's simple to say "The answers need to come from PFS leadership or developers". It's hard to say "Well, James and Sean and Jason can answer rules queries, but stay away from Rob, Mark and Lisa..."
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I don't think it's a question of rank. It's more a question of who at Paizo is qualified to provide rules answers and making sure there is consistency.James Jacobs clarifications are like the old Sage Advice columns by Skip Williams. Incredibly useful to stop an argument over how something works or interacts with each other. But not a rules clarification insomuch as PFS is concerned. Guide 4.2 is referring to actual rules clarifications by the developers of the game rules and by campaign staff for PFS specific clarifications.Even if we presume that folks like SKR and JBulmahn "outrank" JJ, he still outranks all the VOs who don't actually work for Paizo.
If the question at hand had one answer from JJ and a contradicting one from SKR, we could debate who "wins". But between JJ and VOs, with no other Paizo commentary? JJ's is the most "official" word we have.
This. And James Jacobs will tell you himself that he’s just giving advice on how “he would run it.” Not actual rules clarifications that should be taken as though from a developer.
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Aasimars are defined by class levels—they do not possess racial Hit Dice. Aasimars have the following racial traits.
Native Subtype: This subtype is applied only to outsiders. These creatures have mortal ancestors or a strong connection to the Material Plane and can be raised, reincarnated, or resurrected just as other living creatures can be. Creatures with this subtype are native to the Material Plane. Unlike true outsiders, native outsiders need to eat and sleep.
Humanoids with 1 Hit Die exchange the features of their humanoid Hit Die for the class features of a PC or NPC class. Humanoids of this sort are typically presented as 1st-level warriors, which means they have average combat ability and poor saving throws. Humanoids with more than 1 Hit Die are the only humanoids who make use of the features of the humanoid type. A humanoid has the following features (unless otherwise noted in a creature's entry).
Traits: A humanoid possesses the following traits (unless otherwise noted in a creature's entry).
• Proficient with all simple weapons, or by character class.
• Proficient with whatever type of armor (light, medium, or heavy) it is described as wearing, or by character class. If a humanoid does not have a class and wears armor, it is proficient with that type of armor and all lighter types. Humanoids not indicated as wearing armor are not proficient with armor. Humanoids are proficient with shields if they are proficient with any form of armor.
• Humanoids breathe, eat, and sleep.
With some extrapolation, however, if you apply language consistently, then creatures that derive their hit dice by character classes (as Aasimar, Tieflings and Humanoids do) gain their proficiencies by class, and not by race, unless otherwise noted (like Dwarves and Elves have some weapon familiarities).
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He'll also tell you that he's developed lots of the Pathfinder rules, so I think it's a bit disrespectful to talk to him like he's not a developer.
There is no disrespect. It is understanding what his “Ask James Jacobs” thread really is. It isn’t a thread to create clarifications. It isn’t about rank, veracity or credibility.
Its the fact that James Jacobs uses that thread to answer thousands of questions off the cuff without really exploring the rules sets. He gives you how he’d rule in ambiguous situations, but allows for the fact that his opinion is just that, his opinion.
They are not clarifications. There is a difference.
Now, would I put weight on what he says when formulating my own opinions? Heck yeah.
But please don’t try to apply the “clarification post” rule from Guide 4.2 to what James Jacobs says in his “Ask James Jacobs” thread.
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Fair enough, and I do exercise caution when I read his posts in that thread. Heck, I even phrase my questions carefully when I post there ("Would you happen to know the intent of X?" versus "How do you run X?"). All I'm trying (perhaps ineffectually) to say is that if I'm ever torn on how something should work, and JJ says "the intent was X" while a VO says "it should be Y" (with no other input available), I'm going to go with JJ, and I think to do otherwise is rarely advisable.
Look in the race builder section of the Advanced Race Guide.
It quite clearly answers the OP's question.
Outsider (native) (3 RP) A native outsider is at least partially composed of the essence (but not necessarily the matter) of some plane other than the Material Plane. Some creatures start out as some other type and become outsiders when they attain a higher (or lower) state of spiritual existence. When making a native outsider race, it is sometimes important to pick a single Outer Plane that race is tied to. For example, tieflings are tied to Abaddon, the Abyss, or Hell. Such ties can be important for qualifying for other racial abilities, but it’s not required that a native outsider be tied to another plane. A native outsider race has the followings features.
•Native outsiders have the darkvision 60 feet racial trait.
•Native outsiders breathe, eat, and sleep.
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