Khashir El'eth
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Via BAB, Flurry/TWF
(Sorry for the first, super-noob question, but I'm playing my first combat class next week, and I'm not sure how to interpret the rules on the matter.)
Thanks!
| Sangalor |
Via BAB, Flurry/TWF
(sorry for the first, super-noob question, but I'm playing my first combat class next week, and I'm not sure how to interpret the rules on the matter.)
When you have multiple attacks, do you make one attack roll, and check which of those, when added to the bonus, hits; or do you make one roll per attack?
When deflecting an attack via Crane Style, does it deflect only the first attack, even if the other would have hit?
When using Snake Style Sense Motive ability, does the AC apply only to the first attack, or all in the sequence? Thanks!
Welcome here :-)
1. You roll for each attack with the corresponding bonuses. So if you have 3 attacks you roll 3 times.
2. You need crane wing to deflect the attack, not only style, so I guess that's what you mean. You deflect one melee attack that would have hit you of your choosing. For example, if 3 attacks are made against you and the first would not hit you, you ignore that one, your feat does not come into play. If the other two would hit, you need to decide if you deflect the first one or the other (or none). You cannot make that choice in hindsight, though, but when the attack happens, so you won't know at the time of the second attack if a third would hit you or not. I would probably deflect the first attack that would hit you unless I know for some reason that that attack won't really hurt me, i.e. the human in the bar attacking me with his unarmed strike non-lethal damage vs. him using a sword in his other had - I would then worry about the latter more ;-)
3. It's only against the attack you choose to use that style's ability against.
Hope that helps and good luck :-)
| SlimGauge |
I would just add that you need to make the decision to use snake style's sense motive after an attack is announced but before the attack is rolled. You need to make the decision to deflect using crane style after the attack is determined to have hit but before the damage is determined.
Khashir El'eth
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Ah sweet, thanks a lot everyone!
@SlimGauge: I was wondering what the actual distinction was, Snake Fang seemed so much better than Crane, while Crane seems to be lauded left and right.
@Cheapy/Sangalor: Well, the damage is already done (re: the 1st char + styles). I already fell in love and planned all 12 levels of the char 8). After getting 2-3 iterations of the character ripped apart in a separate thread (in a nice way, I should say!), I think I was able to whip it into working condition. If anyone wants to chime in and help improve the build, check the last post in this thread.
Khashir El'eth
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Ah, follow-up question:
Say my attack bonus is +15/+10 (Unarmed Strike). If I TWF, my first attack is +13, second is +8. What's the bonus for the off-hand, +13 or +8?
Or something else?
Sorry, I have the TWF entry in front of me atm, but I'm not sure. I find combat chars so foreign ;p.
| Gauss |
Kashir El'eth:
Assuming you are using a light weapon in your offhand (unarmed strike qualifies as a light weapon) AND you have the feat TWF AND all bonuses are the same for both weapons AND there are no penalties not mentioned (such a buckler on the offhand) then it would be +13. It would be +8 for your second offhand attack (Improved TWF feat).
- Gauss
| Sangalor |
Ah, follow-up question:
Say my attack bonus is +15/+10 (Unarmed Strike). If I TWF, my first attack is +13, second is +8. What's the bonus for the off-hand, +13 or +8?
Or something else?
Sorry, I have the TWF entry in front of me atm, but I'm not sure. I find combat chars so foreign ;p.
If your normal unarmed strike attacks are +15/+10, then
- if you have two-weapon fighting, it's +13/+8 with main hand, and +13 with off-hand- if you have improved two-weapon fighting, it's +13/+8 with main hand, and +13/+8 with off-hand
Note that in the case of a monk its flurry works a bit different: The mechanic is the same (-2 on all attacks plus gain of the extra attacks), but your base attack bonus (BAB) changes. So let's say you have a 12th level monk with a BAB of +9 and bonuses of +6 to get your example from above, then using (improved) two-weapon fighting as above gives you the same values. If you don't TWF but flurry, your BAB is equal to your monk level, so your BAB is +12, so at that level you would have 5 attacks at +16/+16/+11/+11/+6.
This is just to illustrate that TWF and flurry works a bit different for a monk which I think you are using - pretty complicated for a first-time combater :-P And it gets even worse (more complicated) with feats like power attack etc. since they also use the higher values and have further reductions.