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I know Magical Lineage has been discussed to death on the boards, so if this has been answered elsewhere please point me to the appropriate thread.
That said...
Let's say I have a 12th level spell-caster who knows Cone of Cold as a 6th level spell, has Magical Lineage (Cone of Cold), and Rime Spell (+1 Spell Slot Level). Can he use Magical Lineage (-1 Final Adjusted Level) to have a Rime Cone of Cold (normally a 7th level spell slot, but 6th due to Magical Lineage) even though the character doesn't have 7th level spell slots?
I don't see why not.
I'd allow it.
I'd do it for same reason I allow Magical Lineage, magical Missile, and Merciful Spell to be used as a magic missile orison unlimited cast spell.
That's mighty generous of you.
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I know Magical Lineage has been discussed to death on the boards, so if this has been answered elsewhere please point me to the appropriate thread.
That said...
Let's say I have a 12th level spell-caster who knows Cone of Cold as a 6th level spell, has Magical Lineage (Cone of Cold), and Rime Spell (+1 Spell Slot Level). Can he use Magical Lineage (-1 Final Adjusted Level) to have a Rime Cone of Cold (normally a 7th level spell slot, but 6th due to Magical Lineage) even though the character doesn't have 7th level spell slots?
Sure, no problem there.
@scionus: Nice idea, I wish I could explain the usefullness of nonlethal damage to my players ..
my party always looks at me funny for bringing saps or some other form of subdual damage on my characters. a subdual dealing magic missle as a 0 level spell is one of the least broken things I've seen using magical lineage to attempt to produce a 0 level spell.
Asta
PSY
One of my players also combined it with the toppling feat, so he can make them trip as well!
Um, but 12th level casters can cast a 6th level spell in it's base form.
@LazarX: What do you base that on? Magical lineage alters the spells level to 6. A 12th level caster can cast 6th level spells. I think your interpretation is wrong.
I don't understand what you are saying. Cone of cold is normally a 5th level spell - OP has stated it is a 6th level spell for him (I'm assuming Water Domain). He is a 12th level caster and can cast 6th level spells. He has got the spell (or learned it). He can cast the base spell. The metamagic is what takes it to 7th level - and magical lineage brings it back down to 6th level. I see no problems in him casting a 6th level spell this way.
I'm doing nearly the same thing. Totaly ok.
You can cast the base spell, and you have a slot of the level the spell has in the end so you can cast it.
...when I read your posts again, LazarX, and see them in the context of Scionus' post ("I'd do it for same reason I allow Magical Lineage, magical Missile, and Merciful Spell to be used as a magic missile orison unlimited cast spell."), I think you might have been a little to fast in your replies.
I think you're referring to if someone had a 7th level spell, metamagiced it +0 lvls and then used magical lineage to turn the 7th level spell into a 6th level spell. And you say that, that is not possible. And that I agree with.
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Hey there Folks,Magical Lineage was never intended as a way for you to actually lower a spell's level. It was put in to allow you to reduce the increase from a metamagic feat. So, no unlimited magic missiles. I will see to it that the language of this ability is clarified soon and I will get this added to the FAQ.
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing