Silver Crusade and Diplomacy


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I'm planning on making a dwarf monk. Do Silver Crusade faction missions typically include diplomacy or other things where a very negative Charisma modifier would hurt me?

Lantern Lodge 3/5

I know your pain. My Dwarf Archer Fighter has neg Cha as well!

Can't advice you on factions, I'm new to PFS. :)
But, from a character building perspective, you could always use traits to grab diplomacy as a class skill and gain ranks in it.
You will not be great at it, but will be able to still diplo.


Secane wrote:

But, from a character building perspective, you could always use traits to grab diplomacy as a class skill and gain ranks in it.

You will not be great at it, but will be able to still diplo.

That's what I was planning on doing.

Grand Lodge 4/5

There are definitely scenarios where having a decent Diplomacy score is a benefit. Some faction missions require it, but then some (typically not Silver Crusade) require slight of hand. I'd recommend looking at the Season 4 Faction Goals on the Guide and see how your class skills can help further those.

Scarab Sages 1/5

I can't speak for season 4, but Diplomacy has been a very commonly required skill in my experiance to date. This is for most factions, not just Silver Crusade.

Some of the DC's, even in tier 1, were very high.


The short anwser is "Yes"

SC uses a LOT of diplomacy, on the up side you can normaly ask other PC's to help, on the down side dumping Cha is fairly common.

Scarab Sages 5/5

Bearded Ben wrote:
I'm planning on making a dwarf monk. Do Silver Crusade faction missions typically include diplomacy or other things where a very negative Charisma modifier would hurt me?

If you end up playing before year 3 games, you will be handed the Andoran missions. Between the Silver Crusade and Andoran I saw a lot of charisma based skills needed. (for my Andoran I had a lot of Silver Crusaders on th same mission).

Of course, at least diplomacy is usable untrained - its the mission that needs the trained-only skill, or more recently a specific spell (not on my spell list) for a different faction that was annoying.

5/5 5/55/55/5

Yup.

Make friends with someone in the party with diplomacy.

1/5

Why not, you know, play a charismatic Dwarf?

Scarab Sages 5/5

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The Exchange 5/5

an older post talking about much the same thing... just to give more background for this.

linked post

I would say that mostly, the rest of your team will be very happy to help you with anything (faction mission, or just a whim).

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Funky Badger wrote:
Why not, you know, play a charismatic Dwarf?

Because its a monk, and dumping CHA is the only place he'll make up enough points to be an effective monk. Charisma only makes it 5 or 10% less likely that you'll make the DC on the check, assuming you even can make the check.

If you're really worried about it take ease of faith as a trait and dump points into diplomacy. At level 1 you'll have the same diplomacy score as if you had a 14 cha. (1 rank +1 trait +3 trained -3 Cha) The deal will get even better as you level.

The Exchange 5/5

BigNorseWolf wrote:
Funky Badger wrote:
Why not, you know, play a charismatic Dwarf?

Because its a monk, and dumping CHA is the only place he'll make up enough points to be an effective monk. Charisma only makes it 5 or 10% less likely that you'll make the DC on the check, assuming you even can make the check.

If you're really worried about it take ease of faith as a trait and dump points into diplomacy. At level 1 you'll have the same diplomacy score as if you had a 14 cha. (1 rank +1 trait +3 trained -3 Cha) The deal will get even better as you level.

Or the trait Extreamly Fashionable with 150gp in clothing/jewelry and be "that smartly dressed Dwarf" - bonus to Bluff, Intimidate & Diplomacy - and one is a class skill (Diplomacy). And heck, take profession "Ladies Escort" - the RP potential there is great!

1/5

BigNorseWolf wrote:
Because its a monk, and dumping CHA is the only place he'll make up enough points to be an effective monk.

BORING.

The Exchange 5/5

Funky Badger wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Because its a monk, and dumping CHA is the only place he'll make up enough points to be an effective monk.
BORING.

Picture him played as Pepé Le Pew - it would be great!

1/5

nosig wrote:
Picture him played as Pepé Le Pew - it would be great!

Now this, I like...

2/5

Funky Badger wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Because its a monk, and dumping CHA is the only place he'll make up enough points to be an effective monk.
BORING.

When PFS starts allowing 30point builds, you will start seeing more charismatic monks. To even get something with normal monk-like stats, that can somewhat contribute and not be murdered in combat you're probably looking at the following as a dwarf:

16 str
14 dex
16 con
9 int
16 wis
5 cha

or

16 str
14 dex
14 con
12 int
16 wis
5 cha

You could do a dex dwarf and dump str, but that will be PAINFUL to play until you get the Agile property.

1/5

Too much talk about stats. The Pep Le Pew idea sounds awesome though.


I was thinking for stats

spoilered for length:

17 str
14 dex
14 con
10 int
14 wis
6 cha

or

17 str
14 dex
15 con
10 int
15 wis
5 cha

Also, Drunken Master is part of my excuse for terrible Cha.

2/5

You don't want a bunch of odd stats. I wouldn't buy a 17 or 18 with a monk. You just need too many stats.

Silver Crusade

I just opened up my Hero Lab to look at my Dwarven cleric for the first time since playing him at GenCon. At GenCon there was no problem with him being Silver Crusade Faction, but now it says I can't be Silver Crusade. Does anyone have any ideas why?

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Roregg wrote:
I just opened up my Hero Lab to look at my Dwarven cleric for the first time since playing him at GenCon. At GenCon there was no problem with him being Silver Crusade Faction, but now it says I can't be Silver Crusade. Does anyone have any ideas why?

No idea. I don't even think there's technically a requirement to be good.. they'll let anyone in

Shadow Lodge 4/5 5/55/55/55/5 ***** Contributor

nosig wrote:
Funky Badger wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Because its a monk, and dumping CHA is the only place he'll make up enough points to be an effective monk.
BORING.
Picture him played as Pepé Le Pew - it would be great!

That's exactly how I'm planning to play my Kitsune - a vulpine Pepé Le Peu, including the accent :P

But to the OP, Silver Crusade can be as much about protecting the weak as making nice with people, but equipment and other misc. bonuses can be a real plus for any character with a weakness stat-wise.

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