Anger Inqusistion and Rage Domain.

[Bertious]

I've been working on a barbarian/cleric concept and i began to wonder does the anger inquisition's rage ability stack with the rage domain?

For instance assume a level 2 barbarian level 8 cleric with the above domains witht the following stats

Str 19 (16 +2 race +1 level 8
Dex 12
Con 14
Int 10
Wis 16 (15 +1 level 4)
Cha 07

He would have the following rage per level?
1=6
2=8
3=8
4=8
5=8
6=8
7=8
8=14 (adds wis mod and cleric level -3)
9=15
10=24 (adds cleric level)
11+= +2 per cleric level

The same question for the effective barbarian level for rage too so would rage level be
1=1
2=2
3=2
4=2
5=2
6=2
7=2
8=5 (add cleric level -3)
9=6
10=10 (add 1/2 cleric level)
ect?

I assume your maximum effective barbarian level would be equal to your hit die if not then that would be interesting

[Michael Sayre]

"Divine Anger (Ex): At 6th level, you gain the ability to rage like a barbarian. Your effective barbarian level for this ability is your inquisitor level – 3. If you have levels in barbarian, these levels stack when determining the effect of your rage. You do not gain any rage powers from this granted power, though if you have rage powers from another class, you may use them with these rages. You can rage a number of rounds per day equal to your Wisdom bonus, plus 1 round for every inquisitor level above 4th."

So your levels that grant you Divine Anger from the Anger Inquisition sttack with your barbarian levels, though they are counted -3.

On a side note, I do not believe that clerics can take inquisitions.

[Martiln]

Ssalarn wrote:

On a side note, I do not believe that clerics can take inquisitions.

Actually, they can, but typically no class other than inquisitors do, since other classes benefit less from inquisitions(no domain spells/slots for a cleric=suck).

[Michael Sayre]

Martiln wrote:

Ssalarn wrote:

On a side note, I do not believe that clerics can take inquisitions.

Actually, they can, but typically no class other than inquisitors do, since other classes benefit less from inquisitions(no domain spells/slots for a cleric=suck).

Ah, yes, I see:

"Inquisitions are intended for inquisitors, not for other classes that give access to domains. While a cleric or other domain-using class can select an inquisition in place of a domain (if appropriate to the character's deity), inquisitions do not grant domain spell slots or domain spells, and therefore are much weaker choices for those classes. These other classes use the appropriate class level as their inquisitor level for the purpose of inquisition granted powers (clerics use their cleric level as their inquisitor level, and so on)."

Makes sense.

[Bertious]

Thanks for the input folks but not what i was asking. :D

To put the question simply.

What does having both the Anger Inquisition and the Rage domain do to your rounds of rage and effective barbarian level?

[Bertious]

Bump

Has no one else done this or is it just such a stupid idea i should have never thought of it? :D

[Driver 325 yards]

It makes one heck of a cleric/barbarian at higher levels is what it does. Take two levels of barbarian at 1st and 2nd and it really can get nasty.

Both the domain and the inquisition add to your effective barbarian level for determining the effect of your rage powers and determining how you rage (str/con/will/ac/fatigue).

Your effective barbarian level will start of low, but will eventually surpass your cleric level. Your rage rounds will start low, but eventually surpass the amount of rage rds you would get from straight barbarian levels.

On top of all of that, you are a cleric.

DMs will hate you and are sure to house rule you to a pulp.

[Weirdo]

I don't know that the above is correct. Both the domain and the inquisition say that they stack with your rage from being a barbarian, but they don't say they stack with each other. I'd expect that in this case either your domain or your inquisition's rage stacks with your barbarian rage, whichever is higher (and you also get the domain's rage powers). At best, your effective barbarian level for rage should cap at your character level. To my knowledge there is no other feat or class feature that lets you boost your effective X level above your character level for purposes of a special ability like this.

[Quandary]

you would have CLOSE to the amount of rage rounds of a barbarian of equal level.
(less because inquisition is: level-4, +WIS, and domain is: level, while barb gets: 2xlevel+CON+2(1st level bonus))
scaling rage powers would be about 3 levels below a barb of equal level,
but you couldn't get any level pre-req powers (i.e. the good ones), and would get very few free/bonus Powers.
plausibly you could 'buy' more with Feats, but those would also be no-Level-Pre-Req,
unless you multiclassed into Barbarian for 2 level to gain Rage Power class ability normally,
and even then your effective Barb level would be 3 levels below your actual level,
meanwhile you would be totally starved for Feats if you DO go ahead and buy Rage Powers.

still, i think it is a viable combo for a Cleric, you will have enough rage rounds to make good use of a furious weapon, and can take the solid scaling rage powers that don't have level pre-reqs. multiclassing 2 levels in real barb gets you a free rage power (along with other stuff like full martial wpn proficiency), and ability to buy level-pre-req Powers, although you will be very squeezed between those and feats you want...

by taking the inquisition, you are losing out on the VARIETY of being able to cast domain spells from 2 domains, but you still have the exact same amount of domain slots: you will just be casting those from 1 domain only, is all.

[Driver 325 yards]

Weirdo wrote:

I don't know that the above is correct. Both the domain and the inquisition say that they stack with your rage from being a barbarian, but they don't say they stack with each other. I'd expect that in this case either your domain or your inquisition's rage stacks with your barbarian rage, whichever is higher (and you also get the domain's rage powers). At best, your effective barbarian level for rage should cap at your character level. To my knowledge there is no other feat or class feature that lets you boost your effective X level above your character level for purposes of a special ability like this.

And this is what I am talking about. You are already being house ruled to a pulp. Really.... "both the domain and the inquisition say that they stack with your rage from being a barbarian, but they don't say they stack with each other." PLEASE! After this comes all of the discussions about what the intent of the rule is.

According to the RAW, you are completely correct absent the most stretched of reasoning. However, as a practical matter, you will never reach a point where you can really take advantage of the combo because most GMs don't go above 13th level adventures. They don't even make modules above 13th level.

Obviously, this guy is real interesting at much higher levels. At lower levels most GMs will barely raise a mention about the build.

[Quandary]

every single Paizo AP goes beyond 13th level... average is about 16th level.

[Weirdo]

Driver 325 yards wrote:

And this is what I am talking about. You are already being house ruled to a pulp. Really.... "both the domain and the inquisition say that they stack with your rage from being a barbarian, but they don't say they stack with each other." PLEASE! After this comes all of the discussions about what the intent of the rule is.

According to the RAW, you are completely correct absent the most stretched of reasoning.

You admit that I am correct by RAW, but claim that I am "house ruling" away this combo?

Driver 325 yards wrote:

However, as a practical matter, you will never reach a point where you can really take advantage of the combo because most GMs don't go above 13th level adventures. They don't even make modules above 13th level.

As Quandary pointed out, they do indeed make such modules, and even then home games could easily go higher. My group tends to run to level 10-15, and my current campaign might hit 20.

[Johaan05]

Hello, now as I understand it, according to RAW, the 'effective' barbarian level will be higher than his HD.
The Barbarian levels stack with both domains, it is clearly able to get stacking levels from both the Domain power and the Inquisition. So at Barbarian 2/ Cleric 14 his effective level would be Barb 2 + 11 (Cleric-3) + 7 (Cleric 1/2) for a effective level of 20 at HD 16.

Is this math Correct? Obviously the DM has to sign off on these shenanigans but it actually works out.

[Johaan05]

I did all the math here and wanted to see why Wierdo would not say that, according to RAW, these numbers shouldn't work: (Edited for brevity, and emphasis mine)

Bertious wrote:

...

Str 19
Dex 12
Con 14 [+2]
Int 10
Wis 16 [+3]
Cha 07

He would have the following rage per level?
1=6
2=8
3=8
4=8
5=8
6=8
7=8
8=11 (Anger Inq. adds Wis mod [+3] and 1/4 cleric level above 4th)
9=11
10=20 (Rage D. adds cleric level [+8] and Anger Inq. increases 1 at 8th for the 4 cleric levels above 4th [+1])
11=21 (Continue adding Cleric Level plus additional 1 per 4 above 4th)

The same question for the effective barbarian level for rage too so would rage level be
1=1
2=2
3=2
4=2
5=2
6=2
7=2
8=5 (Cleric6: Anger Inq. add cleric level -3 [+3])
9=6 (Cleric7: Anger Inq. add cleric level -3 [+4])
10=11 (Cleric8: Anger Inq. add cleric level -3 [+5] and Rage D. adds 1/2 cleric level [+4])
11=12 (Cleric9: Anger Inq. [+6] and Rage D. [+4])
12=14 (Cleric10: Anger Inq. [+7] and Rage D. [+5])
13=15 (Cleric11: Anger Inq. [+8] and Rage D. [+5])
14=17 (Cleric12: Anger Inq. [+9] and Rage D. [+6])

The way I read the Anger Inquisition it is clear that these abilities stack for rounds of rage and effective Rage level:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com:Anger Inquisition:

Divine Anger (Ex): At 6th level, you gain the ability to rage like a barbarian. Your effective barbarian level for this ability is your inquisitor level – 3. If you have levels in barbarian, these levels stack when determining the effect of your rage. You do not gain any rage powers from this granted power, though if you have rage powers from another class, you may use them with these rages. You can rage a number of rounds per day equal to your Wisdom bonus, plus 1 round for every inquisitor level above 4th.

The part for interpretation is possibly the Rage domain does not stack the effective Rage level. The rounds of rage is clear:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com:Rage Domain:

Rage (Su): At 8th level, you can enter a fearsome rage, like a barbarian, for a number of rounds per day equal to your cleric level. At 12th and 16th level, you can select one rage power. You cannot select any rage power that possesses a level requirement, but otherwise your barbarian level is equal to 1/2 your cleric level. (This is the place it should say: These levels stack when determining the effect of your rage.) These rounds of rage stack with any rounds of rage you might have from levels of barbarian.