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In one CotCT post, James Jacobs said that Sorshen's "at least a level 25 enchanter", but in another he said she was "likely a 20th level enchanter/4th level rogue".
Which is it? I'm likely to go with the later information but I'd rather not make assumptions so I feel it's best to ask and be sure.
Given there are no mythic rules yet. She is basically whatever you want her to be.
Just remember that she's an Enchanter as per the Thassilonian magic rules (Inner Sea Magic). That's a bit different from the standard Pathfinder Enchanter.
Not really sure where you heard that she had Rogue levels. Maybe a looong time ago. Jacobs has confirmed that all the Runelords are straight Thassilonian specialist Wizards. Sorshen in one of three (with Alaznist and Xandergul) Runelords that is considered to be above Level 20.
In light of the new Mythic Rules system coming out - I imagine she'll (eventually) be statted up as Thassilonian Enchanter 20 with additional levels in the Archmage Mythic Path. Just my guess. If you want to go with the older Epic rules, she's probably a Level 22 to 25 Thassilonian Enchanter.
Not really sure where you heard that she had Rogue levels.
Huh, I thought I linked to it. It should be here.
Jacobs has confirmed that all the Runelords are straight Thassilonian specialist Wizards.
What post was that? I did a search but couldn't find it.
In light of the new Mythic Rules system coming out-
Ooo, when?
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Not really sure where you heard that she had Rogue levels.Huh, I thought I linked to it. It should be here.
Jacobs has confirmed that all the Runelords are straight Thassilonian specialist Wizards.What post was that? I did a search but couldn't find it.
In light of the new Mythic Rules system coming out-Ooo, when?
Next year. They just announced it at Gencon. We should see some playtest rules in a couple of months.
Not really sure where you heard that she had Rogue levels.Huh, I thought I linked to it. It should be here.
Jacobs has confirmed that all the Runelords are straight Thassilonian specialist Wizards.What post was that? I did a search but couldn't find it.
In light of the new Mythic Rules system coming out-Ooo, when?
AH, ok you're second link worked (it doesn't take me anywhere in your first post. Huh, that much more recent than I expected. I'm really surprised I missed that.
He talks about single-classing here: Runelords.
The weird part is that my link is also from 2011 and is about Sorshen as well. Hmmm, maybe he meant they are single-classed up to 20 but then they can have levels in other classes. Not sure.
Anyway, none of this really matters thanks to the fact we'll be getting Muthic rules so soon. Sorhsen can be statted up the way she was actually intended rather these guess-work bandage fixes.
Anyway, none of this really matters thanks to the fact we'll be getting Mythic rules so soon. Sorhsen can be statted up the way she was actually intended rather these guess-work bandage fixes.
So it seems likely that she'll be all enchanter rather than part-rogue as the latter would be a waste of epic levels. I would like to see confirmation or denial from Mr. Jacobs, though. :3
At least a day, maybe more. . . though the man is dedicated. I've seen him post on these boards when it's 2:00 AM, on a work-night.
My guess is now with the mythic rules coming out she will be a 20th level Enchanter with some Archmage mythic levels. Perhaps Tuesday James will post, he most likely will need a day to recover from Gencon. :)
Oh my, I didn't know about Gencon when I posted since I don't follow the gaming news. Given that, know how I can be alerted to when and where the playtests start?
It is said by one of the paizo staff play test will start in a month or 2, though I do not think that was a solid statement it will do as a rough indication.
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Not really sure where you heard that she had Rogue levels. Maybe a looong time ago. Jacobs has confirmed that all the Runelords are straight Thassilonian specialist Wizards. Sorshen in one of three (with Alaznist and Xandergul) Runelords that is considered to be above Level 20.
Alaznist being above 20? I thought that was supposed to be Belimarius or Krune? I know JJ said something like he switched two of the runelords' levels around. I recall Xandergul being the "greatest", Sorshen was one of the strongest because of her enchanting presence. I would have also thought Krune might have been extremely powerful, given that he has access to Lissala and Peacock Spirit stuff as well.
In the same link I posted above you can find James Jacobs list of Runelords in order of power from greatest to least. Alaznist is number 3 right before Karzoug at 4. There was some swapping around at one point which ended up placing Zutha just below Karzoug but that's all I'm aware of. I do agree with you that Krune being so low on the list has always seemed strange to me due to his connection to Lissala.
You know what? With the Mythic Rules coming out and the fact that the other Runelords are scared of Krune it's quite possible that while he is a lower CR than the rest of the Runelords, some of his levels could still be Mythic Levels (gifted to him by Lissala). That would explain a lot actually.
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Sorshen is a mythic 20th level enchanter. We'll be revealing more about what that word "mythic" means, of course, in the near future, but yeah... ALL of the runelords are single-classed wizards. Alaznist, Sorshen, and Xanderghul are mythic ones, with Karzoug being the most powerful you can get using the core rules, and with Belimarius, Krune, and Zutha being slightly less powerful than Karzoug.
Krune is indeed the least powerufl of all seven runelords; being the runelord of sloth more or less does that to you. That's not to say he's not still quite powerful, of course!
So, you know what the next question is. . . .
When are we going to see all the Runelords detailed once the Mythic rules are out? Obviously, after next GenCon, but how much longer after GenCon?
(P.S. I am willing to wait patiently as I know you guys have a lot on your plate [understatement] but I figured I'd nip this question in the bud before you get bombarded on fifty other threads)
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My guess is now with the mythic rules coming out she will be a 20th level Enchanter with some Archmage mythic levels. Perhaps Tuesday James will post, he most likely will need a day to recover from Gencon. :)Oh my, I didn't know about Gencon when I posted since I don't follow the gaming news. Given that, know how I can be alerted to when and where the playtests start?
It was mentioned as a rough time frame. I don't recall exactly but it was something like 1-2 months or 6-8 weeks or maybe 8-10 weeks I don't recall exactly anymore. But I would say it is very likely we will have something to playtest in 2 month.
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So, you know what the next question is. . . .
When are we going to see all the Runelords detailed once the Mythic rules are out? Obviously, after next GenCon, but how much longer after GenCon?
(P.S. I am willing to wait patiently as I know you guys have a lot on your plate [understatement] but I figured I'd nip this question in the bud before you get bombarded on fifty other threads)
Now that we CAN stat up the tougher runelords (well... at least as soon as Mythic Adventures is nailed down next summer) we can start thinking about doing that. We'll probably not stat them up until we need to, and probably then not all at once. As for how long that'll be? Unknown.
I figured as much. At least now I'll have something to link to when this question starts popping up all the time over the next year. Thanks.
Sorshen is a mythic 20th level enchanter.
Thanks for the straightforward answer. :)
I wonder if she'll be using the manipulator rather than the default enchantment school, the former's abilities seem to make more sense for her.
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Sorshen is a mythic 20th level enchanter.Thanks for the straightforward answer. :)
I wonder if she'll be using the manipulator rather than the default enchantment school, the former's abilities seem to make more sense for her.
Nope.
One of the goals for the runelords is to present powerful base wizard specialists who do NOT further enhance their powers with new options like alternative schools or archetypes (with the obvious exception of Thassilonian specialization).
There's something satisfying about making a tough bad guy using only the baseline core rules!
One of the goals for the runelords is to present powerful base wizard specialists who do NOT further enhance their powers with new options like alternative schools or archetypes (with the obvious exception of Thassilonian specialization).
I take it she won't have Voice of the Sibyl either. It's interesting though. What're the other goals?
Oh, and while I'm here I'd like to know what's up with Sorshen's ioun stones (Inner Sea Magic, p.17). I compared them with the table in Seekers of Secrets (p.48-49) but the closest matches I've found, pale blue rhomboid and pale green prism, are non-stackable.
I thought about asking about this in a separate thread but I felt that'd make me look c-r-a-z-y!
On a sort of related note: I incorporated Sorshen into a campaign I ran once, and I statted her up as an Enchanter 20 with the advanced and vampire templates (something to do with what happened before she 'woke up') and gave her PC level gear and a couple artifacts too... so she ended up at least CR 24ish.
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One of the goals for the runelords is to present powerful base wizard specialists who do NOT further enhance their powers with new options like alternative schools or archetypes (with the obvious exception of Thassilonian specialization).I take it she won't have Voice of the Sibyl either. It's interesting though. What're the other goals?
Oh, and while I'm here I'd like to know what's up with Sorshen's ioun stones (Inner Sea Magic, p.17). I compared them with the table in Seekers of Secrets (p.48-49) but the closest matches I've found, pale blue rhomboid and pale green prism, are non-stackable.
I thought about asking about this in a separate thread but I felt that'd make me look c-r-a-z-y!
Sorshen is a mythic character. Mythic rules aren't done yet, so I can't really answer any questions about how she's statted up and all that.
Ask me again in a year! :-)
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All your class levels are belong to Sorshen.
It almost doesn't matter what her own levels are, 'cause no matter what class ability she needs, she's probably got a mind-jobbed flunky for that.
Same with Krune, in a way. He might be too lazy to do more than lift a finger and point at you, but the stuff he's got Planar Bound will be sure to make it an interesting fight.
"Yeah, I'm only 17th level. That was very scary how you killed that Pit Fiend I had bound, by the way. Do you have any idea how ridiculously long it took to break him? Anywho, ever wonder what the *Qlippoth* equivalent of a Pit Fiend is? Let's find out..."
<casts gate>
Wait, I always thought every Runelord was at least level 20...
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Wait, I always thought every Runelord was at least level 20...
Yeah, by spreading out the level range for the runelords, we allow ourselves to use them as bad guys for different types of adventures.
It also helps explain why the two toughest ones (Xanderghul and Sorshen) who've been runelords from the start are tougher than the other five runelords, who are the 3rd or 5th or 10th or 15th or whatever in that line.
Sorshen's class levels?
High. That is all you need know. For now.
"Anywho, ever wonder what the *Qlippoth* equivalent of a Pit Fiend is? Let's find out..."
That'd be a bad idea, and not just because the shells hate sin and will likely attack an embodiment of such before noticing the adventurers.
Sorshen's class levels?
High. That is all you need know. For now.
Unless, you know, you actually want to use her in a game. Then you'd actually need to know her class levels. Or at least have some idea of what they are.