The best Pure Sorcerer Blaster


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Hi.

I am trying to come up with an Uber sorc blaster.

Before anyone suggests it, I know about a cross blooded dip (orc /draconic) admixture wizard.

I wanna do this with PURE sorc.

Now so far Half-Orc seems the best option (1/2 per level favored bonus on fire spells)
With the Orc or Draconic Bloodline (for +1damage per die on either fire or all damage spells)
I am leaning towards Orc.

Now the great thing about Energy Substitution is even if you swap a fire spell to another element, it keeps it's fire descriptor. This has been confirmed by the devs.

So I'm thinking
Magical Lineage (fireball)
And Loreseeker (+1Cl and DC on 3 spells - I reckon Burning Arc, Fireball and Dragons Breath)

With Spell Specialisation, Energy Substitution, and Later spell perfection.

Thoughts on how to make this better?

(Don't forget Half-Orcs count as humans for feats etc as well so if there is any awesome Orc or Human only feats that would help this, let me know.


If I understand how metamagic feats work correctly, the level of the spell does not change when you cast a metamagicked spell, unless you use the Heighten Spell feat. The purpose of spell level is relevant for things like globe of lesser invulnerability. However, it is also relevant for metamagic rods.

So, if your quickened empowered fireball is still considered a 3rd level spell for all relevant purposes, you can still apply lesser metamagic rods to it. Saves you some gp. So get a lesser rod of intensified spell as quick as you can.

I personally like the Tattooed Sorcerer archetype from Inner Sea Guide. You trade Eschew Materials for Varisian Tattoo, which gives you a +1 CL on one school of magic. You trade some bloodline powers for the ability to get a familiar tattoo, which is generally a passive creature, but has the bonus of being invulnerable so it can just give you Alertness and it's familiar bonus for free without you having to worry about it being targeted. You also get the ability to inscribe magical tattoos for free, such as the spell tattoo, which basically allows you to make free scrolls starting at 9th level. Very powerful. As if the sorcerer needed more spells per day.

Energy Substitution probably isn't worth the feat, since dragon's breath has it built in. You can just pick up a lesser rod of energy substitution for 3000 gp and apply it to fireball for free when you need to. If you're really optimizing for damage, the creatures you're fighting should go down in 3 spells or less anyway, and if they're not, buy multiple rods. Sorcerers get very few bonus feats, you shouldn't waste one of them on a situational metamagic feat unless you really think you're going to be fighting a lot of things that are immune to fire.

You should probably pick up Spell Penetration (though Spell Penetration by itself will probably suffice, as it gets doubled by Spell Perfection and you'll have a couple of nice CL bonuses on top of that).

Other than that, I think you're good! Go and set the world on fire!


STR Ranger wrote:

Hi.

I am trying to come up with an Uber sorc blaster.

Human for the favored bonus (spells known) might prove better for you. Between that and a feat it's likely better for you except for things like wall of fire... but that's more control than blasting.

You are going with spell specialization and thus spell focus: evocation, so rather than tattooed sorcerer you might simply take the feat... debate the trade-offs but either way you can enjoy the +1 CL. If you don't go with tattooed sorcerer you might consider seeker as an archetype, though that's not going to help with blasting.

There's also bloat mage initiate, but it will prove hard to fit both in.

You'll want magical lineage and wayang spellhunter for traits.. don't just lower metamagics on fireball by 1 but rather by 2...

Of course picking up empower and quicken spell and at 15th taking spell perfection. You'll likely want intensified spell and dazing spell.

-James


Problem with Waiting for dragon breath is the cone or line only.

I ALWAYS plan to meet fire resistant foes. It's common.

I am thinking cold is best sub option since nothing is immune/resistant to both.

Spell perfection sounds awesome and so is tattooed sorc.

I'll be back with a build


STR Ranger wrote:


I am thinking cold is best sub option since nothing is immune/resistant to both.

I disagree, good sir!

Allow me to refute your claim.

Creatures with the Angel subtype are immune to cold, and have resist fire 10.

Creatures with the Daemon subtype have resist fire 10 and resist cold 10.

Creatures with the Demon subtype have resist fire 10 and resist cold 10.

Creatures with the Devil subtype are immune to fire and have resist cold 10.

Creatures with the Qlippoth subtype are immune to cold and have resist fire 10.

To put it simply, if you're going up against Aligned outsiders and you want to blast, either play a cleric or use [force] spells.


The best blast spell is telekinetic charge plus a fighter buddy.


Hmm, focusing on Demons, Devils and Daemons then what would be the best element?

Looking at my build I think I better only Get Energy Sub, likely needed ALOT at high levels and Intensify and Empower as my 3 feats.

They are the best 3 damage metamagics.
A rod of Dazing Spell for Battle Control and a rod of selective spell

Level 11 or 13 take Quicken
And spell perfection at 15.

[b]Trait. Loreseeker (Burning Arc, Fireball, Dragon's Breath or Fire snake)
1-Varisian Tattoo (+1CL evoc), Spell focus
2-
3- Spell Specialisation (one spell +2)
4- select Burning Arc as specialised (+4 CL total, cast it for 8d6+8[bloodline] +2[favored bonus] )
5- Intensify Spell
6- Casts Burning Arc for 10d6+10+3
7- Empower Spell
8-Make Fireball Specialised Spell for 12d6+12+4 when Intensified. Stack Energy sub as 4th level spell when needed.
9- Spell Penetration
10
11- Quicken Spell Fireball caps here at 15d6+15+5 Intensified (3rd level slot) or 22d6+30 If empowered and Intensified in a 5th level slot.Ave 107 damage per fireball.
12
13- Feat, Blood feat (maybe Widen Spell?)
14-
15- Spell Perfection


Widen is good. You should also get a rod of Maximize, because there are just going to be a few times per day where the average damage is not enough.

As for demons, devils, and daemons, you really can't do anything. Devils are immune to fire, demons are immune to electricity, and daemons are immune to acid.

Devils have resist cold 10, resist acid 10. So electricity deals full damage to them.

However, devils are the odd-outsider out, because demons and daemons both have resist 10 against all three energy types they are not immune to. As I said before, the only way to blast an aligned outsider is with force or by being a cleric.

You can always just eat the -10 damage, I suppose. It's not that harsh, but combined with an outsider's high spell resistance, it's plenty annoying.


Eldritch Godling, pick the uncommon energy modifier ability if that is what you fancy, pick something like Sonic then


Eldritch godling is not an option.


then what is? I don't recall it being mentioned some things are denied/restricted


Merlaine wrote:
then what is? I don't recall it being mentioned some things are denied/restricted

He did, actually. He said clearly in the OP he wants to do this PURE sorc. So we can assume all classes other than sorcerer are not on the table.

Sczarni

I'd say your best bet is to simply make sure you have a solid blast spell of every element you can think of and let the metamagic do the heavy lifting.


Shinon wrote:
Merlaine wrote:
then what is? I don't recall it being mentioned some things are denied/restricted
He did, actually. He said clearly in the OP he wants to do this PURE sorc. So we can assume all classes other than sorcerer are not on the table.

sorry, often consider "sorcerer" equal with "spellcaster/mage", my bad, maybe too tired as well XD


is it just me or does godling always pop up when someone is trying to offer an "optimized" way of doing things :P

Sczarni

Phasics wrote:
is it just me or does godling always pop up when someone is trying to offer an "optimized" way of doing things :P

I thought that was the Lore Master ;-P

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