RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 8
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Whats the source of your bonded mount? Druid, ranger, cavalier?
He's asking us for ways to make this happen I believe.
Look into the Beast Rider archetype for cavaliers. At level 7, you can ride a large sized tiger (or lion).
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the FAQ answers your question.
However, if you have an archetype that allows you to gain different animal types (such as the Ranger Beastmaster or Falconer archetypes) you have to stick with the small list noted under each class.
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This lil tidbit is added for medium creatures:
"Additional mounts might be available with GM approval.In addition, a 7th-level or higher Medium beast rider can select any creature whose natural size is Large or Huge, provided that creature is normally available as a Medium-sized animal companion at 7th level (like a bear). "
Why does Paizo gotta hate on the little people? Discrimination I tell ya!
This should read for small characters as well...
"Additional mounts might be available with GM approval.
In addition, a 7th-level or higher Small beast rider can select any creature whose natural size is Medium or Large, provided that creature is normally available as a Small-sized animal companion at 7th level (like a badger)."
Regardless, anything in the general Pathfinder rules that says, "with GM approval" won't work in Pathfinder Society play.
maybe that Beast Rider is still the best option
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The fact that Paizo didnt offer even one cat option for small characters...is discrimination and elephant mounts are ludacrous even for medium characters...elephants for a gnome? realistically mounted combat isnt even an option at that point.
PAIZO! Please replace elephant with Leopard or bobcat or something catlike. I'll even take dire badger...geez
Just to note: this particular part of the message board is dedicated to Pathfinder Society organized play, not general Paizo / Pathfinder RPG issues, which is what it seems like this is boiling down to for you. As such, the topic is probably better suited for the general Pathfinder portion of the boards.
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There may be a vanity that allows you to use Survival for Day Job rolls, I honestly haven't checked.
You can't capture, rear, etc. a wild animal because:
a) It would take years of campaign time, by which time your character will probably already be retired.
b) There's still no way to price such a mount.
Everything that is acquired by a PC, and is not a class feature, gets paid for out of the character's gold or PA. If we can't assign a value to it, you can't acquire it. That's a balance issue to maintain a equal and fair playing ground for everyone in the campaign.
It's one of the adjustments you have to make when transitioning to an Organized Play campaign. Some things just work differently than a home game due to the size of the campaign. It's more limited than a home game because the campaign management can't take the time to address every single special request that comes up. Even if they did, they don't have time to codify, in writing, (for the Guide, FAQ, and/or Additional Resources) ever single special-case request... which they would have to do, so that the rules could be applied to other players that had the same, or similar, requests.
It's a full time job for Mike & Mark to develop ~28 scenarios a year, parse through all the additional sources of rules material that Paizo puts out to determine their viability in the campaign, process convention support requests from around the world, travel to a subset of those conventions in person to support the event organizers, handle all the "customer service" issues that already come their way from the players, and keep up a presence on these messageboards. There just isn't time for two people to handle all the kinds of special requests you can address and adjust for in a home game.
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There may be a vanity that allows you to use Survival for Day Job rolls, I honestly haven't checked.
Hunting Lodge (2 PP): You are a master hunter and
have been recognized as such by being invited to join anelite hunting lodge. As a member, you may take part in
special hunts for rare and exotic prey each year, both on
restricted hunting grounds and in the wild. You can use
Survival to make Day Job rolls.
Probably takes a while to pay for itself, but i didn't like missing out on the fun of dayjob checks with everyone else so i snagged it on my druid.
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Secondly- I dont need a price if I captured it in the wild, I just need to be in the right place at the right time. I would only need to pay for a hireling to help me train it and I would buy an exotic saddle, probly pay extra for stabling... but its no big deal. btw...Mike and Mark arent the only people in charge of rules. There is a whole team of like 10 or more people.
Right, but you've now just acquired a class feature for a few hundred gold.
Equipment, and thats essentially what the kitty is, has to stay mostly the same between people playing at different tables. If your friend the DM lets you run a training and export business out of the monsters you kill and the kobolds you enslave you're going to have an enormous wealth advantage (and thus an enormous power advantage) over other players in other groups.
Arent there fluff books for jungle regions? Surely there is an equipment section in one of those....MAYBE there IS a price for exotic animals?
The arms and equipment guide has regular cats. Probably some other small non combat pets.
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There's also the issue of time. We only have 4 hours, generally speaking (a bit more with home games). It's a serious time-drag for a player to rp capturing a cat, making the necessary rolls etc.
At least if I were GM-ing (and I'm speaking as a Society GM since this was posted in those threads) I wouldn't allow it quite outside of RAW interpretation: it takes the focus away from the other players and the scenario.
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Secondly- I dont need a price if I captured it in the wild, I just need to be in the right place at the right time. I would only need to pay for a hireling to help me train it and I would buy an exotic saddle, probly pay extra for stabling... but its no big deal. btw...Mike and Mark arent the only people in charge of rules. There is a whole team of like 10 or more people.
Arent there fluff books for jungle regions? Surely there is an equipment section in one of those....MAYBE there IS a price for exotic animals?
Mike and Mark set the rules for Pathfinder Society, and not the Pathfinder RPG in general. All items used by a character not granted by a class feature must be purchased from a legal PFS source or awarded by a boon on a chronicle sheet.
None of the material in the PFS additional resources allows the purchase of a large cat, of any age, at this time.
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In game time, it takes 1-3 years just to gain a level.
Maybe in your home games, but in practical experience in my home games players CN get to level 5-6 if a couple of months of game time. YMMV, of course, but since this is Pathfinder Society we're talking about, it doesn't matter. We don't track time outside of rolling the in-game calendar forward a year at Gen Con for plot purposes. Pathfinder Society characters don't even have to age if you don't want them to.
I dont need a price if I captured it in the wild,
You seem to have missed my point that in Pathfinder Society, you do have to pay for anything your character acquires for campaign balance reasons.
Mike and Mark arent the only people in charge of rules.
They are for the Pathfinder Society Organized Play campaign. You do know you're posting in the Pathfinder Society specific section of the messageboard, right? This is not the place to post for general Pathfinder inquiries.
Arent there fluff books for jungle regions? Surely there is an equipment section in one of those....MAYBE there IS a price for exotic animals?
If there is, and if it's listed as available in the Additional Resources, you're perfectly welcome to purchase it.
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Regardless of whether you can purchase a large cat or not, the only animal companions that are available to the Cavalier, Paladin, and Ranger are the ones listed in the FAQ. The only way you can get a nonstandard mount on those classes is to:
1) Multiclass into Druid
2) Take an archetype (like Beast Rider)
3) Gain it though another legal ability (like the trait for Half-Orcs in ARG)
4) Gain it through a boon from a chronicle
Mike and Mark have already ruled on this. It does not matter how you RP or, or what in-game arguments you make. In Pathfinder Society, anything that is "determined by the GM" is determined by Mike and Mark.
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So what he needs is either the main rules to be updated and mention small beastriders, or mike and mark to make a pfs specific ruling for small cavalier(beast rider) that includes a cat option, or expands the list at 7th like it does for medium beast riders.
For rangers there is the beast master archetype, but it's HD progression will take a hit unless you take the boon companion feat. A dip in ranger may not be as bad as a dip in Druid. ::shrug::
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Can I have a tiger mount?
Is your heart set on it being a bonded mount? Have you thought about an eidolon? Taking quadruped as the base form; then adding mount, claws, and pounce - instant tiger mount at level 1. A gnome summoner can even take the favored class option to give their eidolon a +1 hp each level.