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I have not got time to flesh this out atm but the idea was stuck in my head and festering so i thought i'd stick it in your heads instead and cringe at what is made from it.
Samsaran
Kensai Magus 13 20 point build
Str 16 (+1 lvl 4, 8)
Dex 13 (+1 Lvl 12)
Con 12
Int 18
Wis 09
Cha 07
Race Mystic Past Life (add lvl 1 Mage armor, lvl 2 Haste, lvl 3 Dimention Door, Stone Skin, and lvl 5 Greater Teleport from the summoner list)
Lvl --- Bab -- Abilities
01 --- 0 ----- Katana Proficiency, Weapon Focus Katana, Toughness, Arcane Pool (5), cantrips, spell combat
02 --- 1 ----- Spell Strike
03 --- 2 ----- Power Attack, Magus Arcana
04 --- 3 ----- Perfect Strike
05 --- 3 ----- Furious Focus, Craft Wonderous Item
06 --- 4 ----- Magus Arcana,
07 --- 5 ----- Dimensional Agility, Fighter Training, Iaijutsu
08 --- 6 ----- Improved Spell Combat
09 --- 6 ----- Dimensional Assault, Critical Perfection
10 --- 7 -----
11 --- 8 ----- Dimentional Dervish, Critical Focus, Superior Reflexes
12 --- 9 ----- Magus Arcana
13 --- 9 ----- Staggering Critical, Iajutsu Focus
The concept is use Spell Combat to cast Greater Bladed Dash and attack everyone in a 30ft line then swift action Dimensional Dervish (with haste and other buffs active of course) to full attack and retreat back behind the party tank. Hopefully crippleing many of them with staggering critical.
I'm fairly certain at higher levels this is still possible without the Samsaran Gorganzola clinging to it but i wanted to overdo it as much as possible.
What would your damage be on a critical immune creature like an ooze or a construct?
What spell is Greater Bladed Dash, and where can it be found?
What would your damage be on a critical immune creature like an ooze or a construct?
Against an ooze or a construct you'd probably use more standard tactics spell stiking an attack spell but base damage with no buffs would be d8+10 (4 strength 6 power attack) you can assume some basics such as a +4 str belt to make that +12 and a single spell such as Monsterous Physique III would change that to 3d6+15 and a 15 foot reach.
Hmm being size huge and Greater Blade Dashing would seroiusly increase the number of potential targets.
*whistles appreciatively* Magus is sounding seriously awesome as a class in general with all the builds I've seen lately.
So any other thoughts on this? Despite what it may look like i'm not that familar with magus.
Specificly i could use some help with arcanas hopefully ones with durations would be nice as his big party trick takes up his swift action.
Also wondering if there is a better feat choice than craft wonderous at 5th i only took it due to lack of inspiriation and familiarity with metamagic I supose intensify spell would be good.
Swift and Immediate actions a big deal with the magus. Almost everything they due is limited by these and that is part of what keeps them from going too far in the cheese direction.
Have you checked outWalter's Magus Guide?
heheh funny thread title.
@ Mathwei ap Niall Sadly Lunge doesn't work with his big trick (bladed dash requires adjacent targets) Still it is a nice feat to have sadly it doen't fit the slot i have open :(
@ Thazar I've looked at the guide but it doesn't cover my trick and the trick takes way too many of my resources for much branching out beyond basic vanilla magus tricks.
@ Grimmy thanks :)
You can't get a full attack after a dimension door with Dimensional Assault. Dimensional assault allows you to take a special full round action where you cast dimension door and get off a full attack action.
Is there some other method you were using to achieve a second full attack?
Also, for a Magus dimensional assault is nearly worthless. You could get the same effect with a familiar having your familiar deliver the dimension door spell (touch spell) instead of you, thereby ending his round and not yours. A magus can cast a spell and take a full attack with his spellstrike.
With one arcana, you've essentially negated that three feat chain. On the other hand, you could already move and full attack a couple levels earlier with force hook charge, so dimension door just makes things a little easier.
EDIT: Dimensional Dervish will only allow you to activate dimensional Agility as a swift action with a full attack. It doesn't grant you a second full attack in a round. Coming from 3.5 I can see why you might think it would, but I am pretty sure it doesn't.
If I'm following you correctly, it's not clear to me that the "full round action" used for Spell Combat counts as the "full attack action" required for Dimensional Dervish. Isn't it the same kind of situation as with Spring Attack and Vital Strike (where one refers to "a single melee attack" and one refers to an "attack action")?
I could be wrong, though.
EDIT: Basically what Lastoth said.
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@ Mathwei ap Niall Sadly Lunge doesn't work with his big trick (bladed dash requires adjacent targets) Still it is a nice feat to have sadly it doen't fit the slot i have open :(
@ Thazar I've looked at the guide but it doesn't cover my trick and the trick takes way too many of my resources for much branching out beyond basic vanilla magus tricks.
@ Grimmy thanks :)
I'm not talking about the Bladed Dash, I'd use it with Dimensional Dervish. Monstrous Form into a Calikang first and THEN do the bladed dash. Now once you start dimension door'ing back you have the extra attacks from the Calikang's extra arms and a reach out to 15' to minimize how many hops you need to do. I can see 7-11 extra attacks a round this way.
Yeah I can't see any reason why dimensional dervish wouldn't give you a free dimension door (if you have one ready) during ANY full attack action. It might be handy to reposition with, but the second full attack in a single round is not something I'd want to blow three feats on when one arcana got me the most valuable bits of the entire chain.
You'd cast monsterous form, presumably before combat
You'd drop bladed dash with what? A Standard Action? It allows you only to attack each creature you're adjacent to, not creatures you can reach.
Now you arrive at the end with what I assume is a remaining move action, and you could possibly do something with that but none of those options are "make a full attack", which you would need for Dimensional Dervish to trigger and give you a quickened Dimension Door.
I guess I am not following your logic.
You can't get a full attack after a dimension door with Dimensional Assault. Dimensional assault allows you to take a special full round action where you cast dimension door and get off a full attack action.
Is there some other method you were using to achieve a second full attack?
Also, for a Magus dimensional assault is nearly worthless. You could get the same effect with a familiar having your familiar deliver the dimension door spell (touch spell) instead of you, thereby ending his round and not yours. A magus can cast a spell and take a full attack with his spellstrike.
With one arcana, you've essentially negated that three feat chain. On the other hand, you could already move and full attack a couple levels earlier with force hook charge, so dimension door just makes things a little easier.
EDIT: Dimensional Dervish will only allow you to activate dimensional Agility as a swift action with a full attack. It doesn't grant you a second full attack in a round. Coming from 3.5 I can see why you might think it would, but I am pretty sure it doesn't.
The idea was the magus gets to cast as spell as part of a full attack action i missed the wording on it however as it's a full round action then it just wouldn't work.
I supose i'll have to try the harder build of Magus/Teleportation Wizard to pull it off without the dimesional feats :)
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Actually I get what he means now, James Jacobs addressed it as okay:
Use Spell Combat, cast Blade Dance (resolve your attacks with that)
Resolve your full attack action with spell combat
Full attack can trigger Dimension door with Dimensional Dervish
All in all that's some blend between the flash and nightcrawler in the oval office scene.
EDIT: James lays it out here: http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz2u4o&page=411?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Que stions-Here#20523
He suggests you resolve all attacks at the same time though, which is a bit confusing.
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The trick works he's just written it out backwards. you don't start with the bladed dash, you start with the swift action Dimension Door -> Dimensional Dervish. This lets you teleport bounce and Then spell Combat and attack as many targets as you have attacks THEN you cast the bladed dash to run you back behind the party tank while attacking every target in the way.
Everything works you just have to get the order of operations correct.
edit: Also teleporting first makes it easier to set up a better charge lane since your final jump can be to maximize the line of targets until you get home.