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Magicially slept like from the spell Sleep, Deep Slumber, or from a Witches Slumber hex.
A sleep spell causes a magical slumber to come upon 4 HD of creatures. Creatures with the fewest HD are affected first. Among creatures with equal HD, those who are closest to the spell's point of origin are affected first. HD that are not sufficient to affect a creature are wasted. Sleeping creatures are helpless. Slapping or wounding awakens an affected creature, but normal noise does not. Awakening a creature is a standard action (an application of the aid another action). Sleep does not target unconscious creatures, constructs, or undead creatures.
Yeah, it is not RAW, but it is RAI. More importantly you are helpless and ripe to be coup de grace'd.
Clearly if you are magically slept you gain the Helpless condition.
Unconscious creatures are knocked out and helpless. Unconsciousness can result from having negative hit points (but not more than the creature's Constitution score), or from nonlethal damage in excess of current hit points.
So are these the the ONLY two ways to become unconscious? I'm trying to determine if being magically slept gains the "Unconscious" condition.
They really need to expand that list. Are you asking because someone is trying to cast a spell with the "harmless" tag on the character?
I ask because you can't really choose to save against a spell that is harmless if you are not even aware of what is going on. I think I will hit the FAQ button so we can get this one errata'd.
is there a particular reason why you need unconcious? helpless is fuel enough for coupe de grace.
is there a particular reason why you need unconcious? helpless is fuel enough for coupe de grace.
Yes Sir there is. With the target having the Unconscious condition they are considered a willing target for spells (Core 214), like Dimension Door.
Some spells restrict you to willing targets only. Declaring yourself as a willing target is something that can be done at any time (even if you’re f lat-footed or it isn’t your turn). Unconscious creatures are automatically considered willing, but a character who is conscious but immobile or helpless (such as one who is bound, cowering, grappling, paralyzed, pinned, or stunned) is not automatically willing.
Thanks wraithstrike. Those posts are from 2010! You would had thought they at least FAQ'd this by now. I'm obviously going for James Jacob's interpretation.
Image of a barbarian, like a dog, kicking in his sleep. Party members huddled round going "daw he's dreaming..."
Hey guys, can you all do me a favor and FAQ my original post. Much appreciated.
/bows