A monk of the empty hand replaces the normal weapon and armor proficiencies of the monk. He get's fists and shuriken, as well, treats weapons as improvised. For his flurry, it states he can flurry with improvised weapons.
A regular monk's weapon and armor pros state, at the end, that he cannot flurry, get wis to ac, or fast move while wearing armor.
A Empty hand monk does not state this. However, the AC and Fast movement DO state that they are lost when wearing armor, sheilds, or having a med. or heavy load.
So, am i correct that monks of the empty hand can flurry of blows in armor?
Well you can generally assume that if therese no thematic reason for that to be the case were that True it would be an un-intentional oversight. However monk of the empty hand has this line.
A monk of the empty hand’s flurry of blows otherwise functions as normal for a monk of his level.
So basically no you cannot flurry in armour with this archetype.
Yeah, and for flurry, only the standard monk weapons and armor profs state you can't flurry in armor. Replacing those, like the sohei does, changes how those things function, except in cases like the AC bonus and Fast movement, which states the med and heavy load, armor and sheild line.
Flurry never states not being able to use armor, and function as a monk of his level means it works like flurry of a monk, i.e monk lvl = bab while TWF. At stated levels you get an extra attack, and so forth.
Is there any erratta for this, or is it more pyre for the Flurry of Broke FaQ?
And again, if it's not stated, and is replaced, it is clearly replaced, as is the case of all archetypes.
Actually, it only says "This replaces the normal monk weapon proficiencies." Armor proficiencies aren't touched.
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And again, if it's not stated, and is replaced, it is clearly replaced, as is the case of all archetypes.
But the flurry of blows ability is not replaced for the monk of the empty hand, it is merely modified to work with improvised weapons instead of monk weapons. It contains the line:
A monk of the empty hand’s flurry of blows otherwise functions as normal for a monk of his level.
So it works (or not) as a normal flurry of blows, which doesn't work if you wear armour.
And again, if it's not stated, and is replaced, it is clearly replaced, as is the case of all archetypes.But the flurry of blows ability is not replaced for the monk of the empty hand, it is merely modified to work with improvised weapons instead of monk weapons. It contains the line:
A monk of the empty hand’s flurry of blows otherwise functions as normal for a monk of his level.So it works (or not) as a normal flurry of blows, which doesn't work if you wear armour.
This does not matter, because the flurry of blows ability does not say you can't use it in armor. The armor restriction is listed in the monk's armor proficiency. So, if an archetype replaces the monk's armor proficiency, then that archetype can flurry while wearing armor. I'm not saying that's the intent - that's just how the rules work. However...
Actually, it only says "This replaces the normal monk weapon proficiencies." Armor proficiencies aren't touched.
As pointed out, Monk of the Empty Hand does not replace the monk's armor proficiency, so this archetype cannot flurry in armor.
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Yeah, and for flurry, only the standard monk weapons and armor profs state you can't flurry in armor. Replacing those, like the sohei does, changes how those things function, except in cases like the AC bonus and Fast movement, which states the med and heavy load, armor and sheild line.
Flurry never states not being able to use armor, and function as a monk of his level means it works like flurry of a monk, i.e monk lvl = bab while TWF. At stated levels you get an extra attack, and so forth.
Is there any erratta for this, or is it more pyre for the Flurry of Broke FaQ?
And again, if it's not stated, and is replaced, it is clearly replaced, as is the case of all archetypes.
As a note here, the Sohei doesn't gain any special ability to flurry in armor either, he just adds light armor proficiency, and adds whatever weapon he has weapon training in to the list of weapons he can flurry with. Flurry is not one of the monk abilities restricted by armor.
And as noted by Mojorat and others, it does specifically state that the Monk of the Empty Hand's Flurry works in all other ways (as in, in all ways beyond those described) as the normal flurry. Any monk can flurry in armor if he has the appropriate weapon proficiency.
Yeah, and for flurry, only the standard monk weapons and armor profs state you can't flurry in armor. Replacing those, like the sohei does, changes how those things function, except in cases like the AC bonus and Fast movement, which states the med and heavy load, armor and sheild line.
Flurry never states not being able to use armor, and function as a monk of his level means it works like flurry of a monk, i.e monk lvl = bab while TWF. At stated levels you get an extra attack, and so forth.
Is there any erratta for this, or is it more pyre for the Flurry of Broke FaQ?
And again, if it's not stated, and is replaced, it is clearly replaced, as is the case of all archetypes.
As a note here, the Sohei doesn't gain any special ability to flurry in armor either, he just adds light armor proficiency, and adds whatever weapon he has weapon training in to the list of weapons he can flurry with. Flurry is not one of the monk abilities restricted by armor.
And as noted by Mojorat and others, it does specifically state that the Monk of the Empty Hand's Flurry works in all other ways (as in, in all ways beyond those described) as the normal flurry. Any monk can flurry in armor if he has the appropriate weapon proficiency.
Clearly I should have copied the full quote:
When wearing armor, using a shield, or carrying a medium or heavy load, a monk loses his AC bonus, as well as his fast movement and flurry of blows abilities.