Threatening with my tongue

[Gaekub]

Alright, a fairly simple question. Does the tongue granted by the Agile Tongue feat threaten? More specifically, if someone provokes 10ft away, can the Grippli make an AoO to disarm the opponent?

Here's the text of the feat.

d20pfsrd said wrote:

Prerequisites: Grippli.

Benefit: You have a prehensile tongue with a range of 10 feet. You can pick up items weighing no more than 5 pounds, make Sleight of Hand checks, perform the steal or disarm combat maneuvers, or make melee touch attacks with your tongue.

Note: I realize the d20pfsrd isn't always a hundred percent accurate, but I don't have the book on hand and I couldn't find it anywhere else.

[Chemlak]

I'd say it counts as a 10 foot reach unarmed strike, since you can make disarms and melee touch attacks with it.

Disarms will provoke AoO as normal with it, and if you have Improved Disarm it will still provoke, since it's an unarmed strike.

Melee touch attacks almost always count as having a weapon, so won't provoke, in general.

The very fact that it can do those suggests to me that it should be able to be used reactively for AoO (but only for the specific uses described in the feat), and making it an unarmed strike requires the use of feats to prevent it from triggering AoO in return.

[chaoseffect]

Quote:

Disarms will provoke AoO as normal with it, and if you have Improved Disarm it will still provoke, since it's an unarmed strike.

Looking up disarms, all it says is that you get a -4 on the roll if you do it unarmed, but doesn't mention anything about provoking even with Improved Disarm. Seems kind of a grey area, especially because you could argue that the tongue is a natural attack...

Hmm... the more I think about it as a natural attack the more it disturbs me actually, because that would imply that you can do it on top of all your other attacks each round >_<.

You know, I'll just go with I have no idea concerning what the tongue is supposed to count as or if it even threatens or is meant to just give you a means to deliver touch spells or try a maneuver from slightly further away.

[Gaekub]

Hm. Alright, thanks. The use of it as an extension for your unarmed strike seems like a good way to rule it.

Natural Attack seems closer to what it actually is, but as you say chaoseffect, that leads to some... issues.

[Gaekub]

Bumping this again to get some more opinions. (Almost forgot about it.)

If you feel like this could use some developer input, hit the FAQ button on the first post.

[blackbloodtroll]

I too wonder if the tongue counts as a natural attack. Combining this with Feral Combat Training sounds quite fun.

By the way, with the Racial Heritage feat, a Human or Scion of Humanity Aasamir can take this feat.

[Gaekub]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

By the way, with the Racial Heritage feat, a Human or Scion of Humanity Aasamir can take this feat.

Yeah, funny thought. Especially since you can take it at a level higher than one. "I killed so many goblins my tongue grew ten feet!"

But if this does threaten, it could be a major boon for anyone with a good disarm roll. Get charged, use your AoO to take their weapon away. Good for anyone with low hit points and touch spells too, but that's pretty spelled out.

[Lemmy]

First, let me say the title of this thread made me lol.

Second, I suppose it's considered a natural weapon, like Half-Orc bite attack, so I guess it threatens. I seems to make sense... But it does cause the weird side-effects already mentioned...

[blackbloodtroll]

I wish there was a line of text in there about it counting as a natural attack or not.

[Vellas]

The way it looks to me is that it does not have a damage, and does not threaten(unless a held charge for a spell can cause you to threaten), but that it lets you just do disarm or steal at up to 10 feet, and you can use it for the melee touch attack from spells.