Cleric archtype Crusader

[mage4fun]

Hello, I was trying to find an errata for this, but was not successful. In the crusader write up the following is written:

A crusader gains a bonus feat at 1st level, then again at 5th level and every five levels thereafter (to a maximum of six at 20th level).

But if I get a bonus feat at 1,5,10,15,20, that makes only 5 bonus feats, not 6. Is the above suppose to state "to a maximum of five at 20th level" or is there a feat somewhere that I am not seeing?

Also with the crusader they receive this:

At 8th level, a crusader gains the ability to confer beneficial spells quickly to a large group of allies. As a full-round action, the crusader may confer the effects of a single harmless spell with a range of touch to a number of creatures equal to half her cleric level. The spell’s range remains touch, so all intended recipients must be within the crusader’s reach when the spell is cast.

Do all spells need to say touch in them or can a spell of personal also be conferred.

I have a player who wants to run a crusader and is inquiring. I thought i should ask here to get a general consensus on this.

Thanks everyone.

[Cheapy]

1) The six is probably a mistake.

2) The spell needs Range: Touch in its Effect portion. Since personal spells are Range: Personal, they cannot use this ability with personal spells.

[mage4fun]

Cheapy wrote:

1) The six is probably a mistake.

2) The spell needs Range: Touch in its Effect portion. Since personal spells are Range: Personal, they cannot use this ability with personal spells.

I agree with #2, but wanted input from others so it did not come off like I just did not want to do it. I think the first may have been a typo, was just hoping that someone could point me to an errata (if one exists) on this point.

thanks for the response :-)

[blackbloodtroll]

My question about this archetype is: Can the bonus Weapon Focus feat be taken at first level?

[mage4fun]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

My question about this archetype is: Can the bonus Weapon Focus feat be taken at first level?

I was wondering about that also, since in order to take the feat you need to have a BAB of at least 1. This is from a FAQ and if a cleric can use an exotic weapon and be granted this, maybe it will also work for the weapon focus feat.

Cleric: Does a cleric, whose deity's favored weapon is the bastard sword, receive free martial or exotic weapon proficiency with the sword? (Core Rulebook, page 39 and 149)

Since the bastard sword is listed as an exotic weapon, he receives the Exotic Weapon proficiency with the weapon, allowing him to use it one-handed.

—Jason Bulmahn, 07/08/11

[Gilfalas]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

My question about this archetype is: Can the bonus Weapon Focus feat be taken at first level?

I would assume not. Precedent is set in the ranger and monks where they explicitly call out that the feat prerequisits can be ignored, which seems to be a good standard to go by.

Edit: And since Bertious below points out that they are allowed to bypass class and level based restrictions I would change it to yes (which is what I get for not checking the PFD20SRD while at work). Since BAB requirement is based on both class AND level being able to bypass both is a definate yes, IMO.

[Bertious]

the PFSRD wrote:

A crusader gains a bonus feat at 1st level, then again at 5th level and every five levels thereafter (to a maximum of six at 20th level). These bonus feats must be chosen from the following list: Heavy Armor Proficiency, Improved Shield Bash, Martial Weapon Proficiency, Saving Shield, Shield Focus, Tower Shield Proficiency, and Weapon Focus*.

At 10th level, a crusader may also choose from the following feats: Exotic Weapon Proficiency, Greater Shield Focus, Greater Weapon Focus*, Improved Critical*, Shield Slam, Shield Specialization, and Weapon Specialization*.

At 20th level, a crusader may also choose from the following feats: Greater Shield Specialization and Greater Weapon Specialization*. Bonus feats marked with an asterisk (*) must be applied to the favored weapon of the crusader’s deity. A crusader need not meet the normal class- or level-based prerequisites for these bonus feats.

So the question is.

Is BAB a level based requirement?

Personally i don't think so, that was put in place for the fighter 4 for weapon specialization ect. but i'm sure others will have a different view.

[mage4fun]

I think that in this case, if it is available at first level, that the BAB can be bypassed, else they would have put it at the 10 level bracket.

[blackbloodtroll]

Being able to select Weapon Focus as your bonus feat at first level seems at least RAI to me.

[bigmac44]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Being able to select Weapon Focus as your bonus feat at first level seems at least RAI to me.

According to the author of the archetype (Jason Nelson) it is not intended to be selectable at level 1.

http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz5alh?Cleric-Crusader-Archetype-Bonus-feat-wordi ng#5

Although I would allow it if I were DMing

[blackbloodtroll]

Well, that clears that up.