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TauntYou may be small, but your remarks cut others down to size.
Prerequisites: Cha 13, Small size or smaller.
Benefit: You can demoralize opponents using Bluff rather than Intimidate (see the Intimidate skill description for details) and take no skill check penalty for being smaller than your target.
Does this mean you only lose the size penalty to Intimidate, when you replace Intimidate with Bluff, or does it remove it entirely?
It looks like you lose it completely, though whether that is the RAI I cannot say.
Does this mean you only lose the size penalty to Intimidate, when you replace Intimidate with Bluff, or does it remove it entirely?
TauntYou may be small, but your remarks cut others down to size.
Prerequisites: Cha 13, Small size or smaller.
Benefit: You can demoralize opponents using Bluff rather than Intimidate (see the Intimidate skill description for details) and take no skill check penalty for being smaller than your target.
I'd say it just removes it for the purpose of the feat. If you tried to demoralize with just the skill Intimidate, the feat wouldn't be "kicking in" and the penalty removal wouldn't come into effect.
To me, it seems you get:
1) You can use Bluff instead Intimidate, but still use Intimidates effects.
2) You suffer no size penalties to Intimidate.Now, I am just trying to make sure these two things are separate, and that one does not depend on the other.
I see what you are saying but the "and" is still attached to the "can demoralize opponents using Bluff rather than Intimidate (see the Intimidate skill description for details)".
If they were supposed to be two benefits, the sentence should have been ended at the "and" then something along the lines of "When making a demoralize check take no skill check penalty for being smaller than your target."The fact they are actually linked with the "and" means it is modifying the first part of the sentence.
I would say yea you can use them independent of each other, it states the first part, then uses AND you get part 2. Usually if they were to be tied together it would say "and when using bluff in this manner, you take no penalty for your size".
I would say yea you can use them independent of each other, it states the first part, then uses AND you get part 2. Usually if they were to be tied together it would say "and when using bluff in this manner, you take no penalty for your size".
Not trying to be contrary, but curious what other feats use that wording for you to say "usually." Are there any you can point out to compare?
The reason I ask is this weekend I spent ALOT of time pouring over books to help a friend reconstruct an older high level character and while I don't have a photographic memory the wording you are using "when using X in this manner/to do Y, you Z" makes my gut say: feats/spells/items that modify manuevers or such. Like a trip attack that does damage, or things like that.
I read it as, when you use bluff in place of intimidate you dont take the size penalty. When you use intimidate by itself though you would take that penalty.
If they are indeed tied together, then this is a fairly weak feat.
For a small race intially (first 9 levels) it is better than skill focus for its intent AND allows you to use a different (probably more martially useful - bluff for feint) skill in place of another, mechanically it is sound (and better than some other feats).