Flesh Golems and Invisibility


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This came up in a game yesterday, and I thought I'd pick the community's collective brain about it.

Flesh golems are immune to magic, making them impervious to any spell that allows SR.

Two PCs drank potions of invisibility before entering a room with a flesh golem. Does it see them?


No.

SR only applies to targeted spells, like Invisibility, when the spell targets the creature.

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/glossary.html#spell-resistance


Jiggy wrote:

This came up in a game yesterday, and I thought I'd pick the community's collective brain about it.

Flesh golems are immune to magic, making them impervious to any spell that allows SR.

Two PCs drank potions of invisibility before entering a room with a flesh golem. Does it see them?

My initial thoughts is that the potion isn't effecting the golem but rather effecting the PCs so there is nothing the golem can do, they are just invisible.

-Hexen

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NO. The Golem does not get a save to see invisible creatures.

The spell is not being cast on the Golem and would only get a save or its SR if it was cast on it.They are also not immune to glammer effects.

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Quantum Steve wrote:

No.

SR only applies to targeted spells, like Invisibility, when the spell targets the creature.

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/glossary.html#spell-resistance

Ah, that'd be the part we missed:

When Spell Resistance Applies wrote:
Targeted Spells: Spell resistance applies if the spell is targeted at the creature. Some individually targeted spells can be directed at several creatures simultaneously. In such cases, a creature's spell resistance applies only to the portion of the spell actually targeted at that creature. If several different resistant creatures are subjected to such a spell, each checks its spell resistance separately.

I guess we should assume the immunity works the same way? I just want to be thorough in researching this.


Jiggy wrote:

Flesh golems are immune to magic, making them impervious to any spell that allows SR.

Two PCs drank potions of invisibility before entering a room with a flesh golem. Does it see them?

No, assuming the golem doesn't have some way of seeing invisible creatures.

Invisibility was (effectively) cast on the PCs, not the golem. Just like if they used Bless or Haste, both of which allow SR.


Jiggy wrote:
I guess we should assume the immunity works the same way?

Yes. The best way to adjudicate golem spell immunity is just to pretend spell casters automatically fail their caster level checks against the golem's spell resistence, and that's it.

So, in any case where you wouldn't make a check against a creature's spell resistence or an effect would happen even if you failed the check against spell resistence, the effect will happen to the golem in the same way.

And, as noted above, invisibility and most other glamer/figment illusions don't allow SR for observers.

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