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Grand Lodge

Just starting this thread to see how many out there likes really good animated movies. Not that Brave will be added to the ranks of really good animated movies, but from the trailers it shows promise. I want to see it! How about you? Do you want to see "Brave?"

Later,

Mazra


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As far as I'm concerned, animated movies have produced the best, most original and most fantastic stories that Hollywood came-up with in over a decade. There are a few really good films, but very few came to the level of Wall-e. The Incredibles was a better love-letter to american comics than the new Marvel movies, Hiccups in How to Train your Dragon was a more believable hero than in most fantasy flicks.

Apart from Pixar and Dreamworks, Studio Ghibly gave us wonderful things (god I love Spirited Away), Dragon Hunters from Futurikon simply mesmerized me the first time I saw it. Tintin was simply superb, regardless of what some people say.

I'm a BIG fan of animated movies, and Brave is definitely showing great promise. I'll go see it for sure! In the meantime, I'm trying not too get my hopes to high but with Pixar's portfolio, its gonna be hard...

'findel


Yes I want to see "Brave", along with most animated films wether they are cgi, stop motion, or the ultra rare tradtionally animated films.


Pixar had me at the Scots accents. :D We'll be seeing Brave ASAP!


Brave has had my attention from the first teaser - celtic settings, fey themes, solid cast? Very exciting. The only thing that worries me slightly is that I haven't been thrilled with anything they've made since Wall-E. Up had a few very nice moments, as did Toy Story, but neither captivated me as so many of their other films did. Brave is going to be important, for me, as an indicator of whether they've just been sick, or whether the company is dying.

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

I'm down for the cause with Brave. Animation FTW!


This is the second Pixar movie in a row that I simply cant seem to get excited about. I didn't even see Cars 2 because Cars wasn't a favorite of mine even though thanks to my 5 year old son (at the time) I've seen it more times than I would have liked.

Toy Story 3 (aka PRISONER CAMP STORY) was FANTASTIC as was Up. For me, Pixar peaked with The Incredibles. That was the last pixar movie that held my full attention from beginning to end and had me excited to be sitting in a theater the entire time.

Scarab Sages

Good movies, but I tend to find Pixar movies a little cloying and sentimental, perhaps too openly manipulative. Sometimes it's like watching a 2 hour soap-opera for kids.

Not to say they aren't decent movies. And when they have veered from that formula (Cars 2) it's obviously hurt them.

What I really want is for someone to make an animated movie about animals with no dialogue!

Sovereign Court

I am SO over the PC animated films. BUT... I do plan on seeing Brave because of the story. i LOVED How to train your Dragon and this is a similar story. But I have not seen a PC animated story since HtTYD. Back when I had young boys I say most of them, but 3 Toy Stories and others killed this for me.

Lets hope Brave is good


I don't think it's going to be that awesome. I don't know why, I can't quite put my finger on it. Will gladly take my nephew if he wishes to go, however.


I'm really looking forward to it. It's guaranteed to be better than Cars 2 was, and if worst comes to worst, I'll just look at the pretty animation. Still, I'm optimistic.


Freehold DM wrote:
I don't think it's going to be that awesome. I don't know why, I can't quite put my finger on it. Will gladly take my nephew if he wishes to go, however.

That coming from someone who doesn't like Firefly... not sure we can trust your gut on this one. ;)

This movie looks AMAZING, and that one song they play in the most recent trailer, the one the woman sings in Scottish [Gaelic?] is beautiful. Which reminds me, the soundtrack came out yesterday...


Foghammer wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
I don't think it's going to be that awesome. I don't know why, I can't quite put my finger on it. Will gladly take my nephew if he wishes to go, however.

That coming from someone who doesn't like Firefly... not sure we can trust your gut on this one. ;)

This movie looks AMAZING, and that one song they play in the most recent trailer, the one the woman sings in Scottish [Gaelic?] is beautiful. Which reminds me, the soundtrack came out yesterday...

Now the SOUNDTRACK, that I'm down for. I'll gladly check that out. And I don't just hate Firefly- I hate EVERYTHING done by Whedon. Don't leave out crucial parts of my hate!!!!


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They had me at properly animating archer's paradox.


Count me in as well.


Caineach wrote:
They had me at properly animating archer's paradox.

Archer's paradox? what is that?


I've been sold on animated movies since Train your dragon, especially the fantasy based ones. I'll give them some cash to see brave.


I think Caieach is referring to the distortion of the arrow shaft in flight, but that's not the actual use of the term.

Archer's paradox.

FreeholdDM wrote:
And I don't just hate Firefly- I hate EVERYTHING done by Whedon. Don't leave out crucial parts of my hate!!!!

Bet you hated The Avengers, too. Funny how it has completely destroyed so many records in the box office and spawned endless fan art and memes.

EDIT: fixed a tag


Foghammer wrote:

I think Caieach is referring to the distortion of the arrow shaft in flight, but that's not the actual use of the term.

Archer's paradox.

FreeholdDM wrote:
And I don't just hate Firefly- I hate EVERYTHING done by Whedon. Don't leave out crucial parts of my hate!!!!

Bet you hated The Avengers, too. Funny how it has completely destroyed so many records in the box office and spawned endless fan art and memes.

EDIT: fixed a tag

we will see what happens when dark Knight rises comes out. But that is a tale for another thread.


Foghammer wrote:

I think Caieach is referring to the distortion of the arrow shaft in flight, but that's not the actual use of the term.

Archer's paradox.

Archer's paradox is caused by the complex physics involved in how the arrow bends when fired. Basically, its related to where the center of mass is at the point of release. The center of mass moves left to right as the arrow is being shot, caused by the shaft bending as a force is applied to it unevenly. Ideally, you have the center of mass allong the plane of bow string's path on release. This means that if you aim down the shaft your arrow will land off-target unless you compensate.

In the trailor, they animate the arrow correctly.


Caineach wrote:
They had me at properly animating archer's paradox.

I am also impressed that apparently even the screw-ups are done right. When Pixar wants to research, they research.

Shadow Lodge

Freehold DM wrote:


we will see what happens when dark Knight rises comes out. But that is a tale for another thread.

I guess Nolan does still have time to have Hardy and Hathaway killed.

Shadow Lodge

Yahtzee wrote:

Incidentally, I was dragged to see Wall-E last night. Now, objective quality of that film and possible anti-corporate agenda aside, here's a small plot synopsis:

One or more lovable protagonists have existed for some time in a stable but fundamentally flawed routine, which is shaken up by the introduction of a foreign entity, usually another character, around whom attitudes are initially hostile. Attempts to deal with this character eventually lead to the protagonist(s) discovering a new, unfamiliar world, and in doing so discover the nature of the fundamental flaw in their routine. Villains are usually introduced or only become truly villainous from around the mid-point or quite late into the film. Along the way the heroes enlist the help of various lesser characters with clearly definable quirks and at one point reluctantly enter a high-speed chase. The villain is generally finally defeated with surprising ease, and everything concludes in an emotionally manipulative ending in which routine is restored with the fundamental flaw excised.

Now, consider how many Pixar movies that could be describing. Consider it, me b*##!es.

This has never stopped me from watching a Pixar movie before, however.


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Heck, you could remove Pixar from that last line and still have a pretty viable case.

I can't remember the last time after age 15 or so that I saw a movie that I truly considered unique.


Wal E was too Disney for me. I still have not seen Cars, Cars 2, or Toy Story 3.

However I think UP did more to explain love in a 10 minute montage than Belle will ever feel. Toy Story explained the pains of growing up. Incredibles brought the struggles of a family being a better family to life quite nicely. Monsters Inc, Finding Nemo, Ratatoulle, all great characters that pushed good stories into great movies.

What do you expect from the minds who made you feel sad when a lamp lost its ball?

Dreamworks is just as good. IMHO better, but that is because they reach for more mature audience. At least most of them. There are many that feel too disney and I never saw (stallion, shark something, madascar) or worse I did see them and felt greed got in my way (Shrek sequals I am looking at you) good characters + good stories = thewin. Kung Fu Panda, Train your Dragon, Over the Hedge, Monsters v Aliens. Great stories. Also they made a good call with Aardman entertainment Flushed Away, Curse of the Were-Rabbit, Chicken run show what happens when a fan of movies makes a movie.

Yes I am excited to see Brave (especially as the main character does not have the teardrop face of pocahontos/jasmine/snow white/cinderella/anime. :)


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My wife (and I) are really excited to see this one. She says Merinda it's just like her fav player character, which gives me goosebumps 'cause it reminds me how much of a geek she is :D


Curaigh, if you liked Toy Story 1 and 2, you will probably like Toy Story 3. My brother finally got me to see it, and he said in the theaters there was not a dry eye in the house at the ending. The ending is very, very emotional. Actually the whole film is very emotional, with the ending making it that much more powerful.

Anyway, my two cents.


I dunno, I've always found Dreamworks really hit or miss.


I saw it at a 7:00 pm showing and I loved it, this movie would actually make sense to have a sequal.


TOZ wrote:
Yahtzee wrote:

Incidentally, I was dragged to see Wall-E last night. Now, objective quality of that film and possible anti-corporate agenda aside, here's a small plot synopsis:

One or more lovable protagonists have existed for some time in a stable but fundamentally flawed routine, which is shaken up by the introduction of a foreign entity, usually another character, around whom attitudes are initially hostile. Attempts to deal with this character eventually lead to the protagonist(s) discovering a new, unfamiliar world, and in doing so discover the nature of the fundamental flaw in their routine. Villains are usually introduced or only become truly villainous from around the mid-point or quite late into the film. Along the way the heroes enlist the help of various lesser characters with clearly definable quirks and at one point reluctantly enter a high-speed chase. The villain is generally finally defeated with surprising ease, and everything concludes in an emotionally manipulative ending in which routine is restored with the fundamental flaw excised.

Now, consider how many Pixar movies that could be describing. Consider it, me b!!$$es.

This has never stopped me from watching a Pixar movie before, however.

If we're going down this route, we might as well also tag every movie that's ever used the hero's journey, every romcom, etc. Nothing new under the sun. The fun's in how the already present archetypes are played with and arranged. Movies are roller coasters - you know going in that this is going to be the same "sit in a cart as it moves along a set track," but you go because you don't know how that track will twist and turn.

Grand Lodge

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You mean this?

Grand Lodge

Brave? Brilliant!


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
You mean this?

Yes, but I get yelled at when I link to that site. Something about losing the rest of the day and declining social life.

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

I went to see it today with the family and we really enjoyed it. Very funny and with sweet, touching moments. I wouldn't put it up on the Mount Rushmore of Pixar's greatest work, but very fast paced and enjoyable.


My daughter and I both loved it. The climatic fight scene was pretty good and brings to mind all kinds of dnd druid fight goodness. Also, we both like the "woodcarver" whose scenes really upped the humour, IMO.

Grand Lodge

I'll be taking my wife to see it on her birthday this week. :)

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

Yeah, the woodcarver part was hilarious, and apparently there is an Easter egg related to her after the credits. My kids shooed me out of the theater so I didn't see it, but sounds like it's funny.


Jason Nelson wrote:
Yeah, the woodcarver part was hilarious, and apparently there is an Easter egg related to her after the credits. My kids shooed me out of the theater so I didn't see it, but sounds like it's funny.

Darn it, we missed it too then.


Saw Brave this weekend.

Without giving too much away, I thought it was a step down for Pixar's usually high standards, but still a very good film. A few things take you out of the film and ruin the world building they do in the movie and those moments I found very annoying, but I liked that it centered around a girl and her relationship with her mother.

I'd give it a B.

It's a good movie, follows a coherent plot, animation AMAZING and it's a gun free trip to the movies, which is refreshing in a Summer Blockbuster.


Overall, I enjoyed it. But the woodcarver and a few of the other things felt too silly for me. Most of the men were a little to incompotent for my tastes and it felt like most of their dialog was just for comic relief.

The scenes between the mother and daughter were awesome, and I wished they kept their tone through more of the movie.


Caineach wrote:

Overall, I enjoyed it. But the woodcarver and a few of the other things felt too silly for me. Most of the men were a little to incompotent for my tastes and it felt like most of their dialog was just for comic relief.

The scenes between the mother and daughter were awesome, and I wished they kept their tone through more of the movie.

I haven't seen it yet, but I walked into the preview for it part way through and was really turned off by some of the comic relief scenes.

The main story looks good, but the obligatory dumb comic characters may be too much for me.


You mean a step up Lochmonster since Pixar's last movie was Cars 2;)


Dragon78 wrote:
You mean a step up Lochmonster since Pixar's last movie was Cars 2;)

TOUCHE'

Totally forgot that.
SPOILER AHEAD:

What I disliked about Brave was...:
You put a bunch of silly jokes about telephone menu options in the middle of a film about mythic Scotland. Thank you! I was almost immersed in your movie but thatnks for shattering that and bringing me back to reality. HATED the silly old crone. Also if you have toddlers surviving being launched over a castle in a catapault and living so where are the stakes for the characters then? Why should I worry about a stone falling on someone when you just established looney toons as your basis for physics?? Also didn't a wall fall on teh same exact bear 5 minutes before another big stone falls on him? What? Didn't kill hime the first time so let's try it again?? HUH?

Yeah not up to Pixar's usual standards but much better than something like Shrek 3 or Monsters vs Aliens, etc....

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Freehold DM wrote:
I don't think it's going to be that awesome. I don't know why, I can't quite put my finger on it. Will gladly take my nephew if he wishes to go, however.

But I thought you'd be excited about the first Pixar film to include nudity, however brief and partial it may be.*

EDIT: I have not seen it, just going from a review in the local entertainment rag.


Lochmonster wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
You mean a step up Lochmonster since Pixar's last movie was Cars 2;)

TOUCHE'

Totally forgot that.
SPOILER AHEAD:
** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
I didn't mind the children as obligitory comic relief. They were fairly consistently silly. I had more issues with the suitors families being dumb in every scene they exist in, and the fight scenese they were involved with.
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If you accept that the story is older than dirt and doesn't offer much innovation, then Brave is a fine movie. It's not as original as most Pixar productions, but it still has a lot of heart and emotion to it, which I think is worth something.

I got to see Brave and Avengers as a double feature and didn't feel like either was a waste of my time. Neither are going on my list of favorite movies ever, but both were very good, met or exceeded my expectations, and left me feeling like I had spent my time and money wisely.

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