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Now, in 3.5, it spelled out that if you shot someone with a spell like scorching ray, and were sneak attacking, you only got your sneak attack on one shot. In pathfinder, I cannot find that anywhere spelled out like that. I personally think that allowing a character that is sneak attacking with spells add it to each shot does NOT make them too powerful, it actually allows them to keep up with the damage of others, but only when sneak attacking. Am i wrong in that it is not spelled out either way by Paizo officially? If i am let me know please.
We've gone round and round on that, and there's no official answer. There seems to be a fairly general consensus that SA should be allowed on all 3 rays from scorching ray, for example, since it's just not overpowered. That's what I say, anyway. Getting SA damage on just one ray is weak!
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Actually, as pointed out in another thread on sneak attacking, it depends on why you are getting your sneak attack.
Surprise round or first round and you go first? All rays get sneak attack.
Casting from Invisibility? Only the first ray gets the sneak attack bonus, the others wouldn't. Unless it is Greater Invisibility, and you remain invisible during the whole time.
Casting from Stealth? Only the first ray would get the sneak attack bonus, the others wouldn't.
And so forth.
There isn't consensus on that though kinevon since all three rays are launched at the exact same time the all happen at once, there is no 'first ray' with scorching ray.
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I agree on there not being an agreement on this one.
I have seen it compared to Manyshot (which only gets sneak and crit on 1 arrow) and the evocation wizards "intense spell" (which only applies bonus damage on 1 ray per spell).
Can you crit on each ray?
If so, I could see allowing the Sneak attack damage (as they would be separate shots). If not, then the shots are not separate, and you would only get it on one.
I am not really leaning one way or another on it yet myself. Still undecided.
Personally I'm all for allowing sneak attack on each ray -- no worse than allowing sneak attack on each attack and there is nothing that suggest that the crap ruling in a copyright protected crap book has any bearing on this separate system.
I am SO going to play a rogue with a ring of invisibility and a ring of telekinesis now. :D
Opening volley ought to do about 9d6 (nine relatively solid objects) plus 54d6 (sneak attack) damage at 12th-level (averaging out to 220 damage).
I'll make it an intelligence-based rogue too, that way he gets a higher attack roll with his telekinesis ring and a CRAP TON of skills. Maybe a telekinetic sage type character?
I am SO going to play a rogue with a ring of invisibility and a ring of telekinesis now. :D
Opening volley ought to do about 9d6 (nine relatively solid objects) plus 54d6 (sneak attack) damage at 12th-level (averaging out to 220 damage).
I'll make it an intelligence-based rogue too, that way he gets a higher attack roll with his telekinesis ring and a CRAP TON of skills. Maybe a telekinetic sage type character?
That's dirty.
Though, a ring of telekinesis is 75k, so you'd need to be... 14th level before it would account for less than half of your WBL.
Or just take a crafter hostage, using your pro rogue skills.
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more or less, I dont see it as a problem at all. it's not broken, and i see no reason why it wouldnt apply to each shot, since the rays are all shot at the same time, not one at a time. unlike taking multiple attacks, which make you aware afte the first attack, these hit at the same time. you can crit with them all, so why cant you make them all sneak attack? with multi-shot, you roll one attack roll, with scorching ray or battering blast, you roll an attack roll for each shot, and can miss with each shot, so you should get the benefits of making separate attack rolls as well.
by the by, could someone point me to the rules where it says if you're hiding, and say, are within 30' of someone and take a full attack with a bow, you only get sneak attack on the first shot? I know that if you're improved invis, they're without dex against you as long as they are invis, so you're good.
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none? I'd really really like to see where in the rules it says that you cant deal precision damage with ALL your attacks if you are hiding. I've seen many say only the first attack would get sneak attack if you're invis or hiding, not the others. If someone could please point out where it says that in the rules, that would be highly appreciated. I've checked out precision damage, sneak attack, invisibility, hiding. It's not there that I can see.