| Trikk |
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According to this page and this page, as well as my copy of the APG, Totem Warrior archetype essentially replaces nothing and doesn't gain any benefits over "normal" Barbarian.
However, on this (yes, I know, unofficial) page it says:
"Totem rage powers grant powers related to a theme. A barbarian cannot select from more than one group of totem rage powers; for example, a barbarian who selects a beast totem rage power cannot later choose to gain any of the dragon totem rage powers (any rage power with “dragon totem” in its title), unless she has the totem warrior archetype."
The page itself has no reference to any books. Does anyone know if this rule exists in any official material or is it just something made up by the d20pfsrd guys?
Garden Tool
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My understanding was that "totem warrior" wasn't so much a real archetype as just a way of saying "you can't take more than one type of totem rage power" without having to print something to that effect in the description of every totem ability.
A totem warrior is just a barbarian with a totem rage power.
Out of curiosity, where does Ultimate Combat "disagree" with the APG with regards to the totem warrior archetype?
| Cheapy |
Garden Tool, the rules already say you can't take more than one type of totem power:
The following new rage powers can be taken by any barbarian that meets the prerequisites. Totem rage powers grant powers in a theme. A barbarian cannot select from more than one group of totem rage powers. For example, a barbarian that selects a beast totem rage power cannot later chose to gain any of the spirit totem rage powers.
From the APG's intro to the new rage powers.
| Mort the Cleverly Named |
Out of curiosity, where does Ultimate Combat "disagree" with the APG with regards to the totem warrior archetype?
Page 74 of the Advanced Race Guide:
Rage Powers (Ex): The following new rage powers can be taken by any barbarian that meets the prerequisites. Totem rage powers grant powers in a theme. A barbarian cannot select from more than one group of totem rage powers. For example, a barbarian that selects a beast totem rage power cannot later chose to gain any of the spirit totem rage powers.
The Totem Warrior says absolutely nothing about taking multiple totems. In fact, it implies the opposite.
A barbarian often has a special totem that is the patron of her tribe. While individual totems vary, those in the tribe that call upon a totem receive similar abilities. Totem warrior barbarians can select from the following rage powers.
Rage Powers: The totem warrior is based entirely upon his totem rage powers. In addition to the totem powers themselves, the following rage powers complement the totem warrior archtype (depending on the totem chosen)
The list of rage powers that "complement" the archetype need not be listed, but it should be noted that it contains no Totem powers. Also, notice the repeated use of "a totem" and "totem chosen," not "totems" and "totems chosen."
Page 26 of Ultimate Combat differs from the text in APG, adding the line "unless she has the totem warrior archetype," which was neither included nor implied before. Hence, contradiction.
Garden Tool
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So the totem warrior archepe is redundant, but not contrary. Basically, the rules just say "only one totem tree per character!" two different ways (for no good reason). No big deal.
EDIT: @ Mort the Cleverly Named - Wouldn't that just effectively mean that a barbarian who chooses a totem power is a totem warrior? The archetype doesn't do anything...
| Mort the Cleverly Named |
So the totem warrior archepe is redundant, but not contrary. Basically, the rules just say "only one totem tree per character!" two different ways (for no good reason). No big deal.
Except that second time it is saying you can only take one line of Totem powers, unless she has the totem warrior archetype. Whereas the Totem Warrior archetype says no such thing. Also, since it does not trade out any abilities, there is absolutely no reason that every Barbarian wouldn't take it. Making the restriction on totem powers meaningless.
EDIT: That is exactly what it means. I seem to remember a developer explaining that it was for "flavor" and nothing else back when APG came out. That is why it is a problem in UC. It gets an actual mechanical effect to overcome a restriction at no cost, while the original archetype said nothing about it.
| Driver 325 yards |
I agree with the statement that the UC lays out "an actual mechanical effect to overcome a restriction at no cost" and further contend that this statement answers everyones question.
This is just a fancy way of stating that the UC, which came after the APG, is the errata to the initial restriction on taking multiple Totems.
"But, then everyone would take the Totem Archetype." Yes, unless the GM does not allow the Totem archetype or does not allow the UC. Remember, that not everyone plays with all of the books or all of the classes and/or archetypes in the books.
Hah! So the game markers have done better than an errata. They have laid out two paths for GMs to follow. Choose your path, but don't say that they have not answered your question. Everyone should take a hint after being ignored 82 times in the FAQs.