Can Create Water wash away Grease, at least enough so it can be ignored mechanically?
My gut says it'll wash away grease from one 5' square, object or medium creature, 'cause that's a decent chunk of water. On the other hand, no surfactants (soap).
I would be inclined to say no, just cause if I was trying to clean off something greasy by dumping water on it it would have pretty much no effect. I would say maybe Hydraulic Push might do it, more like a power washer with high pressure to force it off... And that would be more fair too, having a 1st level spell cancel out a 1st level spell. (Instead of it being negated by an orison)
*starts writing up a custom spell: 'Create Soapy Water'*
RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32
|
There is no rule stating how Grease may be cleaned or removed without Dispel Magic (or similar), so by RAW it can't be.
Being unmentioned does not make something illegal. It makes it unmentioned. In such a case (with no overarching general rule to default to), the GM has to make a call.
Given that handling a greased item for round after round doesn't wipe it all off, I can't imagine a GM allowing create water to do it, even over multiple rounds.
You are correct in assuming that the lack of surfactants hurts this idea. Get grease on your hands and try to rinse them off, even with respectable water-pressure and heat. Takes a long time, though the heat helps.
Gotta say, as much as I love outside of the box usage of spells, I wouldn't allow this or hydraulic push to do what you're asking. Just wouldn't work.
I didn't know about Hydraulic Push. Still, I'm just as glad if it doesn't work. I've seen Grease effectively replace a front-line fighter in a narrow alley, and I wouldn't want it to be bypassed too easily.
As a GM I would reward the player for thinking outside the box.
Would it make sense to have the water remove the grease? On stairs where the grease could be washed away - yes!
At the very least rfeduce the DC for the grease spell in the area - just to reward the player...
At the very least rfeduce the DC for the grease spell in the area - just to reward the player...
+1
|
At first I thought this thread was about which spell was better at making people fall over, since a puddle of water on the floor is easy to slip in.
I can see Create Water actually exacerbating the situation instead of alleviating it. And Hydraulic Push would probably be more likely to push a creature into the grease slick or force them to make a new Reflex save at a higher DC than it would to get rid of the grease slick.
|
RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32
|
+1At the very least rfeduce the DC for the grease spell in the area - just to reward the player...
I agree in principle (rewarding players for creative ideas), but the idea needs to make a little more sense than this one for me to want to reward it, I'm afraid.
Hydraulic Push would probably be more likely to push a creature into the grease slick or force them to make a new Reflex save at a higher DC than it would to get rid of the grease slick.
Oooh, +1. Remember that grease, once cast as an area (rather than targeted) does not discern friend from foe. Using hydraulic push could turn that spell back on your enemy!
|
|
Hydraulic Push would probably be more likely to push a creature into the grease slick or force them to make a new Reflex save at a higher DC than it would to get rid of the grease slick.Oooh, +1. Remember that grease, once cast as an area (rather than targeted) does not discern friend from foe. Using hydraulic push could turn that spell back on your enemy!
I was actually thinking that Hydraulic Push and Grease are both on the sorc/wiz spell list, allowing for a one-two punch tactic. Though Hydraulic Push would be just as useful to counter an opponent's Grease, wouldn't it? ;-)
As a general rule, I'd be reluctant to let an Orison neutralize a 1st level spell unless there was very direct rules reason to do so, or an otherwise bulletproof explanation...and 'soapless room temperature water removing grease' fails that for me.
I believe Priests of Cayden Calean can create alcoholic drinks instead of water....I'd be more inclined to allow that to have an effect.
As a general rule, I'd be reluctant to let an Orison neutralize a 1st level spell unless there was very direct rules reason to do so...
Yeah, I agree with this reasoning. It was just an idle thought I had while leveling my oracle; level 2 being so dull for them that I had nothing else to think about. :P
4th level sorcerer/wizard spell: Minor Creation - create turpentine, which is distilled from the resins of pine trees, and thus is "non-living plant matter."
