Weapon focus (claws)

[Seraphimpunk]

can you take it, before you actually get claws?
are there any manufactured weapons that count as claws?

[Cheapy]

Nope and Nope.

Have you considered being a Changeling?

[Skylancer4]

Second the changeling option, and a suggestion for the tiefling with the Blood of Fiends book out now as well.

[gnomersy]

I can't see why you couldn't. I haven't seen anything that says you gain weapon proficiency with natural weapons when you gain them if you're just proficient by default no reason not to be able to take focus.

[StreamOfTheSky]

What character is this for?

Barbarian w/ lesser beast totem rage power? Just take power attack at 1. You were going to take it at some point, surely?

Synthesist Summoner? You can have claws at 1.

Feral Mutagen alchemist? You lack the +1 BAB to take weapon focus at level 1 anyway.

[Cheapy]

gnomersy wrote:

I can't see why you couldn't. I haven't seen anything that says you gain weapon proficiency with natural weapons when you gain them if you're just proficient by default no reason not to be able to take focus.

You aren't proficient by default. Once you get them, you are proficient.

Hence the Changeling.

[gnomersy]

Cheapy wrote:

gnomersy wrote:

I can't see why you couldn't. I haven't seen anything that says you gain weapon proficiency with natural weapons when you gain them if you're just proficient by default no reason not to be able to take focus.

You aren't proficient by default. Once you get them, you are proficient.

Hence the Changeling.

Where does it say that?

[Cheapy]

Let's see where it says that the default, which would definitely need to be explicitly defined as it's a horrible default otherwise, says that you are proficient with every natural attack ever.

In the meantime, I will dig up JB's statement on this.

[Cheapy]

Here we go: http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz43g1?Can-a-barbarian-with-Lesser-Beast-Totem-ta ke#19

[Vero]

You should gobwith the tiefling. It's called the Oni-spawn tiefling.

[gnomersy]

Cheapy wrote:

Let's see where it says that the default, which would definitely need to be explicitly defined as it's a horrible default otherwise, says that you are proficient with every natural attack ever.

In the meantime, I will dig up JB's statement on this.

Fair enough, although I honestly think that just making natural weapons auto proficient makes far more sense imo than having you autolearn to use claws properly once you grow claws. I really can't see a condition under which it would be a problem to just make them default to proficient.

Anyways thanks for the rules quote didn't see it when I looked up natural attacks on the prd.

[Skylancer4]

Vero wrote:

You should gobwith the tiefling. It's called the Oni-spawn tiefling.

Actually it is any tiefling, you have to give up your 1xday SP however to get a "roll" on the table, or your GMs permission to choose one of the alternate abilities on the table.

[blackbloodtroll]

Oni-Spawn tiefling can grow claws via their alter self ability.

[blackbloodtroll]

Just like a wizard who puts ranks in fly, you can take weapon focus(claws) even if it is something you do not currently have.

[Umbranus]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Oni-Spawn tiefling can grow claws via their alter self ability.

Are you sure that works?

In the spell description it lists the abilities you get and natural attacks are not listed.
So I thought you would not get the claws.

Same with beast shape.

[Skylancer4]

Umbranus wrote:

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Oni-Spawn tiefling can grow claws via their alter self ability.

Are you sure that works?

In the spell description it lists the abilities you get and natural attacks are not listed.
So I thought you would not get the claws.

Same with beast shape.

It does, it is part of the Transmutation/polymorph school description.

[Rasmus Wagner]

Umbranus wrote:

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Oni-Spawn tiefling can grow claws via their alter self ability.

Are you sure that works?

In the spell description it lists the abilities you get and natural attacks are not listed.
So I thought you would not get the claws.

Same with beast shape.

The [Polymorph] tag, she is important.

[blackbloodtroll]

Claws come with the spell, as long as the form has them. Lizardfolk is a good choice as a form.

[Seraphimpunk]

just wanting to make better use of 1st level feats for a character. comparing natural combat style ranger w/ aspect of the beast vs. a barbarian w/ beast totem. claw proficiency seems pretty random. you've got proficiency as long as you've got claws, but if you don't have claws yet, you're not proficient.

figured i'd post n see if i was wrong, but I didn't think i could take the weapon focus before i get claws anyway.

its for pfs, so no changeling unless that becomes an open race somehow.
Nature combat style rangers can take aspect of the beast to get claws, but they can't take aspect at 1st level, b/c technically they haven't selected the nature combat style yet. I figure if i go barbarian or fighter at first, and then take 2 levels of ranger, he can take the nature style, take aspect of the beast, and take improved natural attack as the bonus feat.