Can you be both frightened and shakened?


Rules Questions


The thug archetype for the scout lets you make enemies frightened for one round if an intimidate check makes them shakened for four or more rounds.

If you make an enemy shakened with one intimidate attempt (for 10 rounds say), then make them frightened with the next intimidate attempt (trading another ten rounds for one round of frightned), when they stop being frightened, are they still shakened (as that would last for 10 rounds?)?

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Liberty's Edge

It appears to be one or the other, not something that has overlapping duration.

The description states that "if te target is shaken for 4 or more rounds..." leads me to believe that no matter how you get the number of rounds (whether from one really good chech, or lots of successful checks) on the 4th (or ater) round you could either A) extend the shaken condition another round with a successful intimidate check, or B) make the target frightened for one round and stop any further rounds of being shaken (unless you intimidate them again - at which time you could decide to make them frightened again for one round.

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Liberty's Edge

It's a bit of a corner case. Fear effects generally increase the level of fear; shaken and frightened are both fear effects. But, I'm pretty sure there is something out there about fear effects from the same source not progressing to a greater level of fear. If they did, shaken plus frightened = panicked.

This is from the chapter on magic, but I would expect to generally apply: "Same Effect More than Once in Different Strengths: In cases when two or more identical spells are operating in the same area or on the same target, but at different strengths, only the one with the highest strength applies."

So, he's shaken for a period of time, then frightened for a round, then the frightened wears off. The shaken is still there for a number of rounds; it has just been over-ridden by the frightened. The opponent should then be intimidated until the end of the initial condition.

Sczarni

Fear effects don't increase with Intimidate (see errata). So it would be an either or situation. Basically the WORST of the two would be in efffect.

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