Create undead skeleton champion question


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I have recently used create undead on a anti paladin. Using create undead i want to make him into a Bloody Skeleton Champion. The base cha of a bloody skeleton is 14 do i use this as a base do I overlap it with the base state of the paladin cast on or do they combine in some funky way. I am hoping for a pathfinder rule on this nothing homebrew.

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supar wrote:
I have recently used create undead on a anti paladin. Using create undead i want to make him into a Bloody Skeleton Champion. The base cha of a bloody skeleton is 14 do i use this as a base do I overlap it with the base state of the paladin cast on or do they combine in some funky way. I am hoping for a pathfinder rule on this nothing homebrew.

For a skeletal champion, the rules are a little different. You follow these template rules IN PLACE OF the normal skeleton rules:

Skeletal Champion

Note that under "Abilities" it only states to add +2 to Str and Dex, and drop Con. There is no change to the base Creature's Int, Wis, or Cha scores.

The reason that you change Int, Wis, and Cha for a bloody skeleton (to -, 10, and 14, respectively) is because it's a mindless creature. Skeletal champions retain their intelligence, and therefore their personality.

Sidenote: If the antipaladin didn't like you during life, he wont' like you in undeath, so you'll have to use command undead, control undead, or a similar spell or power to control him, and he'll get a save at least once a day to break your control.


cartmanbeck wrote:


Sidenote: If the antipaladin didn't like you during life, he wont' like you in undeath, so you'll have to use command undead, control undead, or a similar spell or power to control him, and he'll get a save at least once a day to break your control.

command plus Threnodic Spell metamgic feat makes any undead your slave you just have to get him once

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You can create one of these with create undead? What caster level is needed? I never knew that it was possible.


If I recall correctly, you need Create Greater Undead, an Unhallowed site and a few scantily clad female cultists rubbing down your body with oils or somesuch to create a Skeletal Champion. It's somewhere on the boards, too. Use your Search-Fu!


supar wrote:
cartmanbeck wrote:


Sidenote: If the antipaladin didn't like you during life, he wont' like you in undeath, so you'll have to use command undead, control undead, or a similar spell or power to control him, and he'll get a save at least once a day to break your control.
command plus Threnodic Spell metamgic feat makes any undead your slave you just have to get him once

If you mean the spell "Command", that only works for one round (Threnodic does not change the duration) and you have to choose from 5 options, none of which make it your slave. If you mean the "Command Undead" spell, then Threnodic does not make it permanent.


If you "Quest/Geas" with the servic being to do as you tell him the spell will last for days per level before your days are up simply tell him to fail his next save and reset your spell

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