Duelist, Precise Strike question


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Sczarni

So I was reviewing the Duelist prestige class and I had a question about the Precise Strike class feature...

Precise Strike wrote:

A duelist gains the ability to strike precisely with a light or one-handed piercing weapon, adding her duelist level to her damage roll.

When making a precise strike, a duelist cannot attack with a weapon in her other hand or use a shield. A duelist's precise strike only works against living creatures with discernible anatomies. Any creature that is immune to critical hits is also immune to a precise strike, and any item or ability that protects a creature from critical hits also protects a creature from a precise strike.

My first thought is that this should synergize nicely with Dervish Dance*.

My second thought - and the first question I have - is can a Duelist execute a Precise Strike while holding a weapon in her other hand? It's quite clear that she cannot attack with that weapon.

My third thought - and second question is - if a Duelist takes TWF and ITWF along with Unarmed Strike she should be good to go alternating attacks with her fists (the other hand) and her light or 1 handed piercing weapon (which would deliver Precise Strikes with each iterative if we assume that the creature being attacked was living, had a discernible anatomy, and was not immune to critical hits).

For example - a 1st level Duelist with a BAB of +7/+2 and ITWF could make the following full attack sequence (assume no adjustments to attack bonus except TWF penalties).

+5 Piercing Weapon w/Precise Strike
+5 Unarmed Strike
+0 Piercing Weapon w/Precise Strike
+0 Unarmed Strike

*I am aware that Dervish Dance would not work in conjunction with my first question as the feat explicitly states that you cannot use this feat if you are carrying a weapon or shield in your other hand - which tells me that Paizo knows how to word a feat (or class ability) that excludes being able to hold** a weapon in your off hand.

**Refer to question 1


pretty sure, precise strike needs a piercing weapon. so it wouldnt work with scimitar. pretty sure unarmed strike woukd violate the no attacking with an weapon rule. but it doesnt say the hand has to be

Liberty's Edge

Mojorat wrote:
pretty sure, precise strike needs a piercing weapon. so it wouldnt work with scimitar. pretty sure unarmed strike woukd violate the no attacking with an weapon rule. but it doesnt say the hand has to be

Dirvish dance makes the scimitar a piercing weapon.

Sczarni

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I believe there has been a SKR forum ruling on Unarmed Strike saying it's okay. Which would make it reasonable for one to conclude that Crane Style/Wing/Riposte is perfectly okay as well (though it would be at the cost of 5 feats)


Armor spikes are piercing, don't fill up your free hand and can be used for an off-hand attack. Blade boot works for this as well. Neither cost feats if you take one level of a full BAB class.

Sczarni

Very nice idea.


hrm go figure, i never noticed that. even uses precise strike as an example.


Precise Strike wrote:

A duelist gains the ability to strike precisely with a light or one-handed piercing weapon, adding her duelist level to her damage roll.

When making a precise strike, a duelist cannot attack with a weapon in her other hand or use a shield. A duelist's precise strike only works against living creatures with discernible anatomies. Any creature that is immune to critical hits is also immune to a precise strike, and any item or ability that protects a creature from critical hits also protects a creature from a precise strike.

Daryl MacLeod wrote:
My second thought - and the first question I have - is can a Duelist execute a Precise Strike while holding a weapon in her other hand? It's quite clear that she cannot attack with that weapon.

Yes. The bolded part is ATTACKING.

Daryl MacLeod wrote:
My third thought - and second question is - if a Duelist takes TWF and ITWF along with Unarmed Strike she should be good to go alternating attacks with her fists (the other hand) and her light or 1 handed piercing weapon (which would deliver Precise Strikes with each iterative if we assume that the creature being attacked was living, had a discernible anatomy, and was not immune to critical hits).

Questionable. If you have Improved Unarmed Strike, then your off-hand attack is a weapon. While by RAW you are not holding a weapon, I would say that it's splitting hairs over the clear intent of the wording which is attacking with your off hand. Run it by your DM by all means, but don;t be surprised if he says 'no.'


But armor spikes are fine?


Necro

We have unwritten rules about metaphorical hands that explain this now


Could you elaborate on that? I guess not, cause it would turn it from unwritten to written... but since you can't communicate that to me via bodylanguage or verbal cues I guess that's all I got :D


Actually I just wanted to jump in with that before BBT

(If you are a regular of the boards and have been for awhile you would know what I mean)

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