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As I understand it, Alchemist mutagens do not count as a polymorph effect. With this in mind, is it possible to ingest a mutagen when under the effects of Monstrous Physique I, and have a bestial, more massive Gargoyle, for example?
If so, let's take this a step further, would I be able to drink a mutagen have a mutagen's effects persist and stack on an alchemist BEFORE taking the effects of a polymorph?
I understand the rules of natural armor wouldn't let the natural armor stack, but that's nothing to say of a polymorph's bonus to STR and an alchemical bonus to STR. Would it be an understandable explanation that the alchemical bonuses aren't a product of a physical form, but rather a product of the magical chemicals ingested and coursing through a character's body, which would remain in effect no matter what form I took? I think this effect would be comparable to having cast bull's strength, then a polymorph spell, right?
Thanks for any help!
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Different bonuses to the same thing stack by RAW, pretty simple.
Is there anything saying size bonuses from polymorph effects and alchemical bonuses from mutagen to Str don't stack ? Nope.
So they stack, unless they are the same kind (natural armor to AC), in which case only the highest bonus applies at a time.
Remember that you are spending time to buff yourself in this fashion, time that isn't spent full-attacking with a bow, may be totally removed with a dispel or debuff, or may be more efficient is used to buff the usual group's damage dealer with full BAB and feats instead.
RAW and RAI i believe they're an alchemical bonus so it stacks. A Gargoyle simply becomes a gargoyle on steroids
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Different bonuses to the same thing stack by RAW, pretty simple.
Is there anything saying size bonuses from polymorph effects and alchemical bonuses from mutagen to Str don't stack ? Nope.
So they stack, unless they are the same kind (natural armor to AC), in which case only the highest bonus applies at a time.Remember that you are spending time to buff yourself in this fashion, time that isn't spent full-attacking with a bow, may be totally removed with a dispel or debuff, or may be more efficient is used to buff the usual group's damage dealer with full BAB and feats instead.
Well, my group and I tend to play long-winded campaigns that get to high levels or start at lvl 10+. As such, an alchemist can normally gain the benefits of his mutagen for quite some time, especially when persistent mutagen kicks in.
Also, we're a large supporter of having big toys vs. terrible odds, rather than taking away toys vs. more mundane challenges. The likely-hood of getting a polymorph spell made permanent and then dispelled is rather small in comparison to just making such a set-up not as effective in a combat situation (opponents have spring attack, able to cast slow or stagger players, etc.).
In other words, I wouldn't be spending every battle buffing myself.