Newbie question ranged spells


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There are touch spells and ranged touch spells.
If the spell has a close, medium or long range listed this is then a touch ranged spell and requires an attack roll?

Also do you only have to make a concentration check when something happens to the pc while he/she is trying to cast or every time the pc casts?


Not all spells with ranges require an attack roll. Fireball, for instance, is a Long range spell without an attack roll.

Single target spells are usually the ones that require an attack roll. Area spells usually just automatically affect the area aimed at.


Spell descriptions will tell you if they are ranged touch spells which require an attack roll.

You do not have to make concentration checks unless something happens that causes you to be distracted. The most common need for a concentration check is the spellcaster taking damage while casting.


willot wrote:

There are touch spells and ranged touch spells.

If the spell has a close, medium or long range listed this is then a touch ranged spell and requires an attack roll?

You generally only need to make an attack roll in those circumstances when the spell states you do. Generally, this means offensively. Some spells automatically "hit," like, say, Suggestion. There's no missing. You pick the target you want to be affected, and they're affected unless they make a saving throw (in this case, the saving throw is basically the attack roll).

So long story short, regardless of the range, you make an attack roll when the spell tells you to.

Also do you only have to make a concentration check when something happens to the pc while he/she is trying to cast or every time the pc casts?

There's a whole list of times when you need to make a concentration check.

Check it out.

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/magic.html


If the spell has listed range and produces "Effect: ray" or "Effect: some sort of projectile" or then it will require ranged touch attack to hit intended target. Some other spells may also require ranged touch attack roll but it will be always noted in their description. Spells that produce ray may omit such information as it is inherent in the working of rays.


so if a wizard says "I cast Acid splash" during combat

Quote:

School conjuration (creation) [acid]; Level sorcerer/wizard 0

Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Effect one missile of acid
Duration instantaneous
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance no
You fire a small orb of acid at the target. You must succeed on a ranged touch attack to hit your target. The orb deals 1d3 points of acid damage. This acid disappears after 1 round.

The DM then says roll damage and the only roll made by the wizard would be a damage roll (assuming no concentration checks) ?

So Acid Arrow

Quote:

School conjuration (creation) [acid]; Level sorcerer/wizard 2

Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, M (rhubarb leaf and an adder's stomach), F (a dart)
Range long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level)
Effect one arrow of acid
Duration 1 round + 1 round per three levels
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance no
An arrow of acid springs from your hand and speeds to its target. You must succeed on a ranged touch attack to hit your target. The arrow deals 2d4 points of acid damage with no splash damage. For every three caster levels you possess, the acid, unless neutralized, lasts for another round (to a maximum of 6 additional rounds at 18th level), dealing another 2d4 points of damage in each round.

Would need an Attack roll?


Drejk wrote:
If the spell has listed range and produces "Effect: ray" or "Effect: some sort of projectile" or then it will require ranged touch attack to hit intended target. Some other spells may also require ranged touch attack roll but it will be always noted in their description. Spells that produce ray may omit such information as it is inherent in the working of rays.

Yep I did see rays are a ranged touch attach :)

Grand Lodge

willot wrote:

so if a wizard says "I cast Acid splash" during combat

Quote:

School conjuration (creation) [acid]; Level sorcerer/wizard 0

Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Effect one missile of acid
Duration instantaneous
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance no
You fire a small orb of acid at the target. You must succeed on a ranged touch attack to hit your target. The orb deals 1d3 points of acid damage. This acid disappears after 1 round.

The DM then says roll damage and the only roll made by the wizard would be a damage roll (assuming no concentration checks) ?

Emphasis added.


OOPS! missed that! Maybe Paizo outta start putting Ranged Touch Attack Under Ranged! But I think I get it now Thanks


Here you have example of damaging spell that does not require attack roll: burning arc.

Another thing when it comes to spells and rolling - have you familiarized yourself with Spell Resistance rules? in addition to occasional attack rolls demanded by the spell or concentration check demanded by the conditions disrupting the spellcasting process you might be required to make a roll to penetrate spell resistance of certain creatures. This rarely comes into effect before 5th level, however, so you should probably have some time before seeing it in play.


Drejk wrote:

Here you have example of damaging spell that does not require attack roll: burning arc.

Another thing when it comes to spells and rolling - have you familiarized yourself with Spell Resistance rules? in addition to occasional attack rolls demanded by the spell or concentration check demanded by the conditions disrupting the spellcasting process you might be required to make a roll to penetrate spell resistance of certain creatures. This rarely comes into effect before 5th level, however, so you should probably have some time before seeing it in play.

Cool Ill read up on it.

Here another
Say A spell says It Requires A Ranged Touch Attack which I Assume you use your Standard Ranged Attack for. However you cast it Point Blank! Does it just then a Normal Touch Attack?

Liberty's Edge

If you have the feat "point blank shot" you get +1 to hit within 30 feet of the target.


Martin Kauffman 530 wrote:
If you have the feat "point blank shot" you get +1 to hit within 30 feet of the target.

Also a +1 to damage if the ray/ranged touch deals HP damage.

-Flash


Pathfinder Maps Subscriber
willot wrote:
Say A spell says It Requires A Ranged Touch Attack which I Assume you use your Standard Ranged Attack for. However you cast it Point Blank! Does it just then a Normal Touch Attack?

Nope, it's still a ranged touch attack even if the range to the intended target is only 5 feet. This means that you'll still use your dex mod for the to hit and will still provoke an AoO for making a ranged attack.

Dark Archive

Generally a spell either requires a touch attack to hit OR grants a saving throw. Rarely both. Rarely neither.

If a spell has neither or both go back and reread it carefully to make sure.

Dark Archive

willot wrote:
Drejk wrote:

Here you have example of damaging spell that does not require attack roll: burning arc.

Another thing when it comes to spells and rolling - have you familiarized yourself with Spell Resistance rules? in addition to occasional attack rolls demanded by the spell or concentration check demanded by the conditions disrupting the spellcasting process you might be required to make a roll to penetrate spell resistance of certain creatures. This rarely comes into effect before 5th level, however, so you should probably have some time before seeing it in play.

Cool Ill read up on it.

Here another
Say A spell says It Requires A Ranged Touch Attack which I Assume you use your Standard Ranged Attack for. However you cast it Point Blank! Does it just then a Normal Touch Attack?

you use your dex mod+BAB+any other releveant modifiers, and attack the opponents touch ac (NOT normal ac). you can do it up to the range listed in the spell description.

so at level 2 you can acid splash at 30 ft away

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ZomB wrote:

Generally a spell either requires a touch attack to hit OR grants a saving throw. Rarely both. Rarely neither.

If a spell has neither or both go back and reread it carefully to make sure.

its not that rare. a lot of necromancy, and alot of old 3.5 stuff had a touch attack, and a save

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Name Violation wrote:
its not that rare. a lot of necromancy, and alot of old 3.5 stuff had a touch attack, and a save

A quick filter of the pathfinder spells spreadsheet suggests its about 1 in 20 offensive spells, with necromancy and transmutation about the same.

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