A +3 weapon is equivalent to cold iron/silver when overcoming DR.
Do magical enhancements add to the equivalent +?
Example ... a +2 flaming sword. The flaming quality counts as a +1 against the maximum pluses the weapon can have so when you are trying to overcome DR, will the +2 with the (+1 cost) flame ability/quality overcome the DR?
Nevermind. Found a thread about the exact topic. Search is apparently cap sensative lol
Anyhow, it seems that enhancement equivalants don't count toward overcoming DR. I fidured it didn't but hoped nonetheless. Too bad :(
"Overcoming DR: Damage reduction may be overcome by special materials, magic weapons (any weapon with a +1 or higher enhancement bonus, not counting the enhancement from masterwork quality), certain types of weapons (such as slashing or bludgeoning), and weapons imbued with an alignment.
Ammunition fired from a projectile weapon with an enhancement bonus of +1 or higher is treated as a magic weapon for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. Similarly, ammunition fired from a projectile weapon with an alignment gains the alignment of that projectile weapon (in addition to any alignment it may already have).
Weapons with an enhancement bonus of +3 or greater can ignore some types of damage reduction, regardless of their actual material or alignment. The following table shows what type of enhancement bonus is needed to overcome some common types of damage reduction.
DR Type Weapon Enhancement Bonus Equivalent
cold iron/silver +3
adamantine* +4
alignment-based +5
* Note that this does not give the ability to ignore hardness, like an actual adamantine weapon does"
"Overcoming DR: Damage reduction may be overcome by special materials, magic weapons (any weapon with a +1 or higher enhancement bonus, not counting the enhancement from masterwork quality), certain types of weapons (such as slashing or bludgeoning), and weapons imbued with an alignment.
Ammunition fired from a projectile weapon with an enhancement bonus of +1 or higher is treated as a magic weapon for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. Similarly, ammunition fired from a projectile weapon with an alignment gains the alignment of that projectile weapon (in addition to any alignment it may already have).
Weapons with an enhancement bonus of +3 or greater can ignore some types of damage reduction, regardless of their actual material or alignment. The following table shows what type of enhancement bonus is needed to overcome some common types of damage reduction.
DR Type Weapon Enhancement Bonus Equivalent
cold iron/silver +3
adamantine* +4
alignment-based +5
* Note that this does not give the ability to ignore hardness, like an actual adamantine weapon does"
Bolded for easyness.
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"Overcoming DR: Damage reduction may be overcome by special materials, magic weapons (any weapon with a +1 or higher enhancement bonus, not counting the enhancement from masterwork quality), certain types of weapons (such as slashing or bludgeoning), and weapons imbued with an alignment.
Ammunition fired from a projectile weapon with an enhancement bonus of +1 or higher is treated as a magic weapon for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. Similarly, ammunition fired from a projectile weapon with an alignment gains the alignment of that projectile weapon (in addition to any alignment it may already have).
Weapons with an enhancement bonus of +3 or greater can ignore some types of damage reduction, regardless of their actual material or alignment. The following table shows what type of enhancement bonus is needed to overcome some common types of damage reduction.
DR Type Weapon Enhancement Bonus Equivalent
cold iron/silver +3
adamantine* +4
alignment-based +5
* Note that this does not give the ability to ignore hardness, like an actual adamantine weapon does"
I find this section very confusing.
One part says "Damage Reduction may be overcome by ... any magic weapon with a +1 or higher enhancement bonus".
But later on it says that weapons with an enhancement bonus of +3 or better can overcome some types of damage reduction.
If magic weapons of +1 or better can overcome damage reduction, then why is there a section that seems to indicate you need +3 or better
(depending on the type of damage reduction)?
If I've got a +2 sword, does it overcome damage reduction or not?
If the damage reduction is DR/magic then a +1 or higher enhancement will bypass it.
If it is DR/cold iron OR DR/silver then a +3 or higher enhancement will bypass it.
If it is DR/adamantine then a +4 or higher enhancement will bypass it.
If it is DR/good or evil or lawful or chaotic then a +5 enhancement will bypass it. (Note: There is no higher than +5).
Of course, if you have a weapon made of that material, it will bypass that DR regardless of its bonus.
Core rulebook p 561:
"The numerical part of a creature’s damage reduction (or DR) is the amount of damage the creature ignores from normal attacks. Usually, a certain type of weapon can overcome this reduction (see Overcoming DR). This information is separated from the damage reduction number by a slash. For example, DR 5/magic means that a creature takes 5 less points of damage from all weapons that are not magic. If a dash follows the slash, then the damage reduction is effective against any attack that does not ignore damage reduction.
Damage reduction may be overcome by special materials, magic weapons (any weapon with a +1 or higher enhancement bonus, not counting the
enhancement from masterwork quality), certain types of weapons (such as slashing or bludgeoning), and weapons imbued with an alignment.
Ammunition fired from a projectile weapon with an enhancement bonus of +1 or higher is treated as a magic weapon for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
Similarly, ammunition fired from a projectile weapon with an alignment gains the alignment of that projectile weapon (in addition to any alignment it may already have).
Weapons with an enhancement bonus of +3 or greater can ignore some types of damage reduction, regardless of their actual material or alignment."
If the creature has DR 5/magic a magic weapon ignores the damage reduction. Meaning the creature takes the full damage dealt on a successful hit. If it has DR 5/cold iron, only a cold iron weapon will ignore the DR. However, a +3 magical weapon acts as a cold iron or silver weapon in reference to Damage Reduction.
It all depends on the type of Damage Reduction. If it has DR 5/- nothing ignores the Damage Reduction.
I hope this helps.
Just my 2 cp.
Only the ACTUAL enhancement bonus counts. A +1 vorpal dancing sword wouldn't be able to get through any DR but magic.
so it seems only the actual magical + counts toward the DR equivelants
a +2 Flame Sword has the cost of a +3 sword but will not overcome cold iron/silver DR
One sorta (not really) exception to this. A bane weapon increases the enhancement bonus of the weapon by +2 when the weapon is being used against a creature that the bane weapon applies to. Example: +1 Devil bane will count as a +3 weapon against Devils and thus is able to bypass silver and cold iron when used against devils. - Gauss
It all depends on the type of Damage Reduction. If it has DR 5/- nothing ignores the Damage Reduction
...except for the good old reliable SMITE EVIL from your friendly Paladin.
Only the ACTUAL enhancement bonus counts. A +1 vorpal dancing sword wouldn't be able to get through any DR but magic.
Ummm... Mr. Jacobs? Mr. Jabberwock wants to have a word with you...
*ducks for cover*
It all depends on the type of Damage Reduction. If it has DR 5/- nothing ignores the Damage Reduction...except for the good old reliable SMITE EVIL from your friendly Paladin.
Only the ACTUAL enhancement bonus counts. A +1 vorpal dancing sword wouldn't be able to get through any DR but magic.Ummm... Mr. Jacobs? Mr. Jabberwock wants to have a word with you...
*ducks for cover*
Jabberwock and demilich have damage reduction that is overcome by vorpal, but that's very uncommon.
I wish the demilich's DR were listed as DR 20/vorpal but instead it is listed as DR 20/- and has "vorpal susceptibility."
Vorpal Susceptibility, from the demilich entry (Bestiary 3 page 66):
Vorpal Susceptibility (Ex) Vorpal weapons of any kind ignore a demilich's damage reduction.
So why isn't the demilich just listed as DR 20/vorpal instead of DR 20/- ?
Jabberwock and demilich have damage reduction that is overcome by vorpal, but that's very uncommon.
I wish the demilich's DR were listed as DR 20/vorpal but instead it is listed as DR 20/- and has "vorpal susceptibility."
Vorpal Susceptibility, from the demilich entry (Bestiary 3 page 66):
Vorpal Susceptibility (Ex) Vorpal weapons of any kind ignore a demilich's damage reduction.So why isn't the demilich just listed as DR 20/vorpal instead of DR 20/- ?
I actually like it. I prefer not having a lot of different DR-types. As it is, I know what materials and alignments a certain enhancement bonus is equivalent to.
When they start adding more obscure DR, I have to backtrack through different books, to find whether or not it is ignored through a certain enhancement bonus.At the end of the day, it just gets a bit easier if they post the full rules, when they create new exceptions such as this, instead of just adding to the bulk of the rules.