I have a 5th lvl Wizard with an INT of 22. My DM has given me a spell book with spells upto 4th lvl. I can't actually find anything that says I can't copy these into my spell book. If I make all of the appropriate rolls can I do this? And if so, would I be able to cast them? My intelligence mod would allow me bonus spells of that level. Unlike rangers and paladins
" When Table: Ranger indicates that the ranger gets 0 spells per day of a given spell level, he gains only the bonus spells he would be entitled to based on his Wisdom score for that spell level." I can't find this anywhere for a wizard.
"To learn, prepare, or cast a spell, the wizard must have an Intelligence score equal to at least 10 + the spell level. The Difficulty Class for a saving throw against a wizard's spell is 10 + the spell level + the wizard's Intelligence modifier.
A wizard can cast only a certain number of spells of each spell level per day. His base daily spell allotment is given on Table: Wizard. In addition, he receives bonus spells per day if he has a high Intelligence score (see Table: Ability Modifiers and Bonus Spells).
A wizard may know any number of spells. He must choose and prepare his spells ahead of time by getting 8 hours of sleep and spending 1 hour studying his spellbook. While studying, the wizard decides which spells to prepare."
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I haven't found anything preventing you from scribing higher-level spells into your spellbook (assuming you can make the necessary Spellcraft checks and pay the requisite gold).
However, no matter what's in your spellbook, it won't allow you to cast higher-level spells than your wizard level allows.
You can cast a spell from a scroll if it's too high of a level for you, but if you do, you have to make a caster level check (DC 1+CL of scroll) to successfully cast it. If you fail, you have to make a WIS check to avoid a mishap.
However, you can't cast from your spellbook like you could from a scroll. Your spellbook is only involved in preparing spells.
unfortunately, the answer is no.
to scribe a spell into your spellbook, you have to do a few things first.
1) be able to read the spell- this can be by using READ MAGIC or by having the owmner of the spell book teach you his notation for the spells. once you are able to understand the spells, you are able to do this from then on without having to use read magic or have the help of the spell books owner.
2) once you are able to read the spells, you must then MEMORIZE the spells. this is where a wizard has the issue of others spell books, as spells of higher level cannot be memorized.
From the getting started section: "Abilities and Spellcasters
The ability that governs bonus spells depends on what type of spellcaster your character is: Intelligence for wizards; Wisdom for clerics, druids, and rangers; and Charisma for bards, paladins, and sorcerers. In addition to having a high ability score, a spellcaster must be of a high enough class level to be able to cast spells of a given spell level."
So you definitely can't cast them. There are some classes which give 0 spell slots at a level. This allows them to cast spells of that level only from their bonus spell slots, if appropriate.
As far as copying a higher level spell than you can cast, I think this is fine, assuming you succeed on the check.
I can't actually find anything that says I can't copy these into my spell book. If I make all of the appropriate rolls can I do this?
I don't see why not.
And if so, would I be able to cast them?
No. A wizard must be 7th level to cast 4th-level spells.
"A wizard can cast only a certain number of spells of each spell level per day. His base daily spell allotment is given on Table: Wizard."
You do not have access to that level spell slot until you reach the appropriate level, that includes bonus spells for high intelligence.
unfortunately, the answer is no.
to scribe a spell into your spellbook, you have to do a few things first.
1) be able to read the spell- this can be by using READ MAGIC or by having the owmner of the spell book teach you his notation for the spells. once you are able to understand the spells, you are able to do this from then on without having to use read magic or have the help of the spell books owner.
2) once you are able to read the spells, you must then MEMORIZE the spells. this is where a wizard has the issue of others spell books, as spells of higher level cannot be memorized.
Here's the rules:
"Spells Copied from Another's Spellbook or a Scroll: A wizard can also add a spell to his book whenever he encounters one on a magic scroll or in another wizard's spellbook. No matter what the spell's source, the wizard must first decipher the magical writing (see Arcane Magical Writings). Next, he must spend 1 hour studying the spell. At the end of the hour, he must make a Spellcraft check (DC 15 + spell's level). A wizard who has specialized in a school of spells gains a +2 bonus on the Spellcraft check if the new spell is from his specialty school. If the check succeeds, the wizard understands the spell and can copy it into his spellbook (see Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook). The process leaves a spellbook that was copied from unharmed, but a spell successfully copied from a magic scroll disappears from the parchment.If the check fails, the wizard cannot understand or copy the spell. He cannot attempt to learn or copy that spell again until one week has passed. If the spell was from a scroll, a failed Spellcraft check does not cause the spell to vanish."
1)Decipher the arcane writings, yep, you got that part right.
2) It doesn't say you memorize it at all. You have to make a spellcraft check, and if successful, you understand the spell and can copy it down into your spellbook. Done. Thats it.
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2) once you are able to read the spells, you must then MEMORIZE the spells. this is where a wizard has the issue of others spell books, as spells of higher level cannot be memorized.
You don't memorize spells in Pathfinder. You prepare them. I didn't see anything about needing to prepare a spell to copy it into your spellbook, so if I missed it, then please cite it so I can find it. Thanks.
2) once you are able to read the spells, you must then MEMORIZE the spells. this is where a wizard has the issue of others spell books, as spells of higher level cannot be memorized.
Spells Copied from Another's Spellbook or a Scroll: "No matter what the spell's source, the wizard must first decipher the magical writing (see Arcane Magical Writings). Next, he must spend 1 hour studying the spell. At the end of the hour, he must make a Spellcraft check (DC 15 + spell's level)."
"If the check succeeds, the wizard understands the spell and can copy it into his spellbook (see Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook)."
You must understand it, not memorize it.
There is nothing in the rules that says you cannot, and I do not think there ever has been in the history or D&D/PRPG. How you do it is on pages 218-219 of the Core Book:
Step One:
To decipher an arcane magical writing (such as a single spell in another’s spellbook or on a scroll), a character must make a Spellcraft check (DC 20 + the spell’s level). If the skill check fails, the character cannot attempt to read that particular spell again until the next day. A read magic spell automatically deciphers magical writing without a skill check. If the person who created the magical writing is on hand to help the reader, success is also automatic.
Step Two:
Next, he must spend 1 hour studying the spell. At the end of the hour, he must make a Spellcraft check (DC 15 + spell’s level). A wizard who has specialized in a school of spells gains a +2 bonus on the Spellcraft check if the new spell is from his specialty school. If the check succeeds, the wizard understands the spell and can copy it into his spellbook.
You cannot use it til you are the correct level, but you can copy them so long as you succeed at your rolls and pay the costs to do so.
Yes. The only thing preventing a Wizard from copying a spell into their spell book is failing the spellcraft check.
Make the spellcraft check (15 + spell lvl), pay the cost to copy, and your done. Please note that a wizard can easily keep ahead of their spell lvl by taking 10 on their spellcraft checks (you can not take 20 as their is a repercussion for failing). A lvl 1 wizard can have a spellcraft of +7-8, so is able to take 10 and copy up to a 2nd or 3rd lvl spell without failure.
sweet- guess i had been using that rule incorrectly myself then. not sure where i got that last part from then..........
Huh! Seems kinda silly to be able to do all that work reading, deciphering, understand, and copying to then not be able to use it.
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Huh! Seems kinda silly to be able to do all that work reading, deciphering, understand, and copying to then not be able to use it.
It can still be handy. Maybe you took out a wizard BBEG and he's got a nice spellbook (or handful of unused scrolls). Scribe now so you have more than two options later.
Even better in PFS, as PC wizards often take a moment to swap spells. Sit down with a higher-level wizard buddy and you can get a head start on your options.
Think of it as you can understand the spell but you don't have the actual power to use it.
The idea that in order to read a spell you must be able to memorize it also goes against the fact that a wizard can cast a spell from a scroll that is higher level than they can normally cast (as long as they meet the other requirements).
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However, you can't cast from your spellbook like you could from a scroll. Your spellbook is only involved in preparing spells.
I've actually encountered people that insist you CAN cast spells from a spellbook like a scroll. No matter how much countered that this was not allowed per the rules and must be a houserule of some kind, I still run int people that think it is possible per the rules.
Sorry for the slight sidebar ... :)
However, you can't cast from your spellbook like you could from a scroll. Your spellbook is only involved in preparing spells.I've actually encountered people that insist you CAN cast spells from a spellbook like a scroll. No matter how much countered that this was not allowed per the rules and must be a houserule of some kind, I still run int people that think it is possible per the rules.
Sorry for the slight sidebar ... :)
The rule exists, or existed in earlier versions of the game, where if you did cast the spell from a book, the spell would be lost forever from the book just as if you cast from a scroll. There was also a chance of damaging other pages around the one you are using if you cast this way. It was officially an optional rule, but I knew many groups who used it. For 1st Ed. it was in Unearthed Arcana and in 2nd Ed it was in Complete Book of Wizards. I do not know if it was ever in any 3rd Ed books as an optional rule.
Can I use the bonus spell slots of higher level to prepare lower level spells that I know? Also can I use scribe scroll to make scrolls of higher level spells that are in my book ?
Can I use the bonus spell slots of higher level to prepare lower level spells that I know?
Only if you have access to those spell slots by being of appropriate level.
Meaning if you can cast 4th level spells, you can use your 4th level spell slots to prepare Magic Missile, or any other spell of 4th level or lower that you could normally prepare.
This official FAQ question addresses this issue.
Also can I use scribe scroll to make scrolls of higher level spells that are in my book ?
Creating Scrolls: "The creator must have prepared the spell to be scribed (or must know the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard)"