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They aren't really supportive about much. It's not just this but pretty much everything in my life. That's just the way it is. I'm used to it after 42 years. I still love them and I still have a lot to learn from them. When I came out to everyone on Facebook, I made it clear that I was not looking for them to change how they treated me. I am the same person I was before they knew everything. My grandparents aren't on FB and I know that my parents wouldn't say anything to them. There's no gossip in my family.

I've been through a lot in my life. This is such a small thing compared to what I've been through that I'm not stressed over it (I haven't shared this with many people. I only post it so that people know where my comparison is coming from.). I have friends who care and that's what I need.


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I'm glad you have friends Bob. I would be honored to count myself among them. You are an amazing person who has survived much. And now you are not just surviving but thriving, which is wonderful.

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Interrupting slightly to bring you warm and fuzzy inducing awesomeness: Honey Maid ‘THIS IS WHOLESOME’ Campaign features same-sex parents, interracial parents, and a single mom.

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Speaking of family that took a long time to come around, my mom and little sister have come leaps and bounds in the last month. It started after that Rally that I spoke at. My mom, who due to unsupportive and cruelness I had all but cut out of my life, commented on a picture of me speaking at the Rally. "It makes a mother so PROUD to see her daughter standing up for something she believes in SO much. I love you Cori!" And it's just sort of spitballed from there. Like a switch was flipped. Today my little sister asked me to be a bridesmaid in her wedding, less than a year after telling me I wasn't welcome at her graduation, because she didn't want to be embarrassed.

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Rysky wrote:

Interrupting slightly to bring you warm and fuzzy inducing awesomeness: Honey Maid ‘THIS IS WHOLESOME’ Campaign features same-sex parents, interracial parents, and a single mom.

Oh! I saw that this morning. It was great. ^_^ I love that they say "Wholesome families" and then they immediately show a family with two dads.


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Clearly I need to drink more Samuel Adams.


Fred Phelps is dying. I don't want to turn this into a bashing session. It's easy to pick on the WBC. I feel sad for the family members who left and are now not allowed to see their dying father. I know that the daughter has mostly been in charge for some time but I hope that the passing of this man brings an end to the hatred. I hope the church dies out with him.

I don't wish him or his family any ill. I hope his passing is swift and painless. I hope that they all find peace. I also sincerely hope that we can see more positive stories about religion instead of the hateful ones. I'm an atheist and although I believe that people would be better off without religion, I also know that most people with religion are still good people. It's the ugly ones who tend to get the attention. Hopefully the media will have one less hate group to focus on.

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You are a far better person than I could ever hope to be Bob.


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I'm not a hateful person. I've gone through living with so much hate in my heart that it caused me physical pain. I can't do that anymore. I have to believe that good people outweigh the bad. I have to believe that if I wish harm upon others for the crimes they commit, I risk becoming the same monster they were. I can't go back down that road. I don't think that everyone should think like I do. I have to do it for my own mental health. If you want to see where I'm coming from, I posted a link about my own personal upbringing a few posts back. I've lived through pain enough to cause PTSD. I can't feed that demon anymore.

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*hugs*


TanithT wrote:
Clearly I need to drink more Samuel Adams.
CNN wrote:
The South Boston Allied War Veterans Council, which is organizing the parade, said in a statement on its website that it is not opposed to LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) people, it just doesn't allow sexual orientation to be displayed.

I love reading things like that. It really rolls us back to the forever unanswered question, "why is a straight person walking in a parade NOT an example of openly displayed sexual orientation, but a LGBT person is?"

"Defaults" exist in our society; racial, gender, sexual. The sooner folks quit vehemently denying that, the sooner we can do away with those "defaults" and move on to a more openly diverse culture.


Tirisfal wrote:
TanithT wrote:
Clearly I need to drink more Samuel Adams.
CNN wrote:
The South Boston Allied War Veterans Council, which is organizing the parade, said in a statement on its website that it is not opposed to LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) people, it just doesn't allow sexual orientation to be displayed.

I love reading things like that. It really rolls us back to the forever unanswered question, "why is a straight person walking in a parade NOT an example of openly displayed sexual orientation, but a LGBT person is?"

"Defaults" exist in our society; racial, gender, sexual. The sooner folks quit vehemently denying that, the sooner we can do away with those "defaults" and move on to a more openly diverse culture.

Playing devil's advocate: LGBTQ people can walk in the parade and not be an example of openly displayed sexual orientation, just like straight people can. What's being banned is LGBTQ groups marching as LGBTQ groups. I doubt there are any straight groups marching as straight groups either.

To be fair, if a Straight Pride group wanted to march they should also be prohibited.

Of course, that may seem reasonable and fair on the face of it, but it completely ignores the "defaults" you describe.


thejeff wrote:

Playing devil's advocate: LGBTQ people can walk in the parade and not be an example of openly displayed sexual orientation, just like straight people can. What's being banned is LGBTQ groups marching as LGBTQ groups. I doubt there are any straight groups marching as straight groups either.

To be fair, if a Straight Pride group wanted to march they should also be prohibited.

Of course, that may seem reasonable and fair on the face of it, but it completely ignores the "defaults" you describe.

Ultimately that I would think would be the goal. To not have to feel like you have to hide who you are, but at the same time having it be so blasé that nobody feels they need a special group to make a point of it. At some point an all gay men choir should seem just as strange as an "all men who have sex with women choir" would sound. We not there yet, but ultimately I would think that would be the goal.


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thejeff wrote:

Playing devil's advocate: LGBTQ people can walk in the parade and not be an example of openly displayed sexual orientation, just like straight people can. What's being banned is LGBTQ groups marching as LGBTQ groups. I doubt there are any straight groups marching as straight groups either.

To be fair, if a Straight Pride group wanted to march they should also be prohibited.

Of course, that may seem reasonable and fair on the face of it, but it completely ignores the "defaults" you describe.

Ultimately that I would think would be the goal. To not have to feel like you have to hide who you are, but at the same time having it be so blasé that nobody feels they need a special group to make a point of it. At some point an all gay men choir should seem just as strange as an "all men who have sex with women choir" would sound. We not there yet, but ultimately I would think that would be the goal.

Exactly, but hte in the meantime banning gay groups on fairness and equality grounds is still ridiculous.


Rysky wrote:
You are a far better person than I could ever hope to be Bob.

+1.


thejeff wrote:
Tirisfal wrote:
TanithT wrote:
Clearly I need to drink more Samuel Adams.
CNN wrote:
The South Boston Allied War Veterans Council, which is organizing the parade, said in a statement on its website that it is not opposed to LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) people, it just doesn't allow sexual orientation to be displayed.

I love reading things like that. It really rolls us back to the forever unanswered question, "why is a straight person walking in a parade NOT an example of openly displayed sexual orientation, but a LGBT person is?"

"Defaults" exist in our society; racial, gender, sexual. The sooner folks quit vehemently denying that, the sooner we can do away with those "defaults" and move on to a more openly diverse culture.

Playing devil's advocate: LGBTQ people can walk in the parade and not be an example of openly displayed sexual orientation, just like straight people can. What's being banned is LGBTQ groups marching as LGBTQ groups. I doubt there are any straight groups marching as straight groups either.

To be fair, if a Straight Pride group wanted to march they should also be prohibited.

Of course, that may seem reasonable and fair on the face of it, but it completely ignores the "defaults" you describe.

But it never works out that way.

Scarab Sages

Bob_Loblaw wrote:

Fred Phelps is dying. I don't want to turn this into a bashing session. It's easy to pick on the WBC. I feel sad for the family members who left and are now not allowed to see their dying father. I know that the daughter has mostly been in charge for some time but I hope that the passing of this man brings an end to the hatred. I hope the church dies out with him.

I don't wish him or his family any ill. I hope his passing is swift and painless. I hope that they all find peace. I also sincerely hope that we can see more positive stories about religion instead of the hateful ones. I'm an atheist and although I believe that people would be better off without religion, I also know that most people with religion are still good people. It's the ugly ones who tend to get the attention. Hopefully the media will have one less hate group to focus on.

May he rest in peace, may his next life bring him to greater wisdom and may his place in history remain vacant from now on.

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feytharn wrote:
Bob_Loblaw wrote:

Fred Phelps is dying. I don't want to turn this into a bashing session. It's easy to pick on the WBC. I feel sad for the family members who left and are now not allowed to see their dying father. I know that the daughter has mostly been in charge for some time but I hope that the passing of this man brings an end to the hatred. I hope the church dies out with him.

I don't wish him or his family any ill. I hope his passing is swift and painless. I hope that they all find peace. I also sincerely hope that we can see more positive stories about religion instead of the hateful ones. I'm an atheist and although I believe that people would be better off without religion, I also know that most people with religion are still good people. It's the ugly ones who tend to get the attention. Hopefully the media will have one less hate group to focus on.

May he rest in peace, may his next life bring him to greater wisdom and may his place in history remain vacant from now on.

In his next life, he will be gay.

Scarab Sages

Could be a start...


Malachi Silverclaw wrote:
feytharn wrote:
Bob_Loblaw wrote:

Fred Phelps is dying. I don't want to turn this into a bashing session. It's easy to pick on the WBC. I feel sad for the family members who left and are now not allowed to see their dying father. I know that the daughter has mostly been in charge for some time but I hope that the passing of this man brings an end to the hatred. I hope the church dies out with him.

I don't wish him or his family any ill. I hope his passing is swift and painless. I hope that they all find peace. I also sincerely hope that we can see more positive stories about religion instead of the hateful ones. I'm an atheist and although I believe that people would be better off without religion, I also know that most people with religion are still good people. It's the ugly ones who tend to get the attention. Hopefully the media will have one less hate group to focus on.

May he rest in peace, may his next life bring him to greater wisdom and may his place in history remain vacant from now on.
In his next life, he will be gay.

How do you know for certain he isn't in this life? Some of the worst (self-)haters are.


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Considering they were considering coming to my brother's funeral last year (he was a Marine), I can only wish that what they've done to others will be reciprocated ten-fold to them when he passes. And I hope it is slow and painful.


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That would only embolden them. Remember that there is a passage in the Bible that says they will be hated for their beliefs. By picketing the funeral, or any such retribution, would give them the strength they need to carry on.

If you really want to get back at them, don't give them the time of day. Relegate them to insignificance. If you encounter them, tell them that you forgive them (even if it's not true).


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I dunno, it would be karmic justice if one of them punched somebody and the WBC got sued right back.

Bah. It's no fun being mature. Those big dumb poopheads.


Tirisfal wrote:
TanithT wrote:
Clearly I need to drink more Samuel Adams.
CNN wrote:
The South Boston Allied War Veterans Council, which is organizing the parade, said in a statement on its website that it is not opposed to LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) people, it just doesn't allow sexual orientation to be displayed.

I love reading things like that. It really rolls us back to the forever unanswered question, "why is a straight person walking in a parade NOT an example of openly displayed sexual orientation, but a LGBT person is?"

"Defaults" exist in our society; racial, gender, sexual. The sooner folks quit vehemently denying that, the sooner we can do away with those "defaults" and move on to a more openly diverse culture.

From what I understand, the application wasn't just to have people who were simply walking down the street who happened to be of a certain sexual orientation. You literally cannot tell what sexual orientation someone is in the parade.

It dealt with wanting to have a bunch of floats and other things that were promoting the LGBT agenda. Hence...who knows, but a float of rainbows, and words saying support your local "insert LGBT type society" today!!! and other things.

The organizers said, they have no problem with LGBT people, but the parade is not a place to promote these types of things. It's to celebrate St Patrick and St Patricks day. They don't allow it anymore than they would if someone went down with a banner saying support your local heterosexual magazine, or strip club, or sex therapy group.

It's that they felt it was out of place.

It seems like the way they've approached this in the media is upsetting a LOT of people that normally do support LGBT, as it seems obvious as the parade (especially a parade that's celebrating a day dedicated to a Catholic Saint...think about that) has nothing to do with sexuality or anything to do with sex or even discrimination.

They stated that they have nothing against LGBT if they want to celebrate or do something everyone else was doing...but under no conditions was it to be something that had nothing to do with the celebrations and instead was strictly in promotion of LGBT rights or something.

PS: Does anyone else find irony that they want to put a sex orientation promotion in a parade dedicated to a Saint from a religion that kind of says Sex is a sin? (as in, if I put in a banner about being heterosexual, or to show that they should support heterosexual rights...it would ALSO be banned upon the sex promotion indications...it's actually not just LGBT...but normally Heterosexuals don't need to put in such promotions as there isn't that discrimination there). Even then...I wouldn't put in for any other sort of thing in that regard, especially, as I said...in a parade celebrating...of all things... a Catholic Saint.

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Freehold DM wrote:
Rysky wrote:
You are a far better person than I could ever hope to be Bob.

+1.

Yeah, that's a really tough one to take the high road on. Especially if he and his hit close to home.

It's well worth it though. Good on you Bob.


Ah, Boston's Evacuation Day Parade.

Well, anything I can say about LGBT demonstrators would be superfluous, but a little history:

In 1965 (IIRC), the NAACP had a float in the parade with "We Shall Overcome" painted on signs in Gaelic. They got stoned.

Ah, Southie...


Wow.

Did not know this. I thank you for the history lesson as usual.


Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:

Ah, Boston's Evacuation Day Parade.

Well, anything I can say about LGBT demonstrators would be superfluous, but a little history:

In 1965 (IIRC), the NAACP had a float in the parade with "We Shall Overcome" painted on signs in Gaelic. They got stoned.

Ah, Southie...

Ouch.

I was just presenting what their actual reasoning was rather than what has been presented. Not defending the decision.

But WOW...that's..just WOW.

Thanks for the history lesson.


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This week's "A Day in the Life" article on Cracked was written by a transgender woman.

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Tirisfal wrote:
This week's "A Day in the Life" article on Cracked was written by a transgender woman.

Don't read the comments unless you have a strong stomach.

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Lissa Guillet wrote:
Tirisfal wrote:
This week's "A Day in the Life" article on Cracked was written by a transgender woman.
Don't read the comments unless you have a strong stomach.

I looked at the trap, Ray!


Lissa Guillet wrote:
Tirisfal wrote:
This week's "A Day in the Life" article on Cracked was written by a transgender woman.
Don't read the comments unless you have a strong stomach.

It's a hard lesson to learn :(


I found the article an interesting read, myself. As with anything on the Internet I'm not sure how much of it was accurate/true, but if even 10 percent is on the money it is eye-opening and educational, as well as written in less technical language which is a plus.

The comments were, as always, the dark ugly side of the Internet. :(


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I try to avoid the comments sections. I have my mental health to keep in mind. I also need an alibi.


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In other news, had lunch with my ex this last Monday; managed to not go all fanboy on him, lol. Had a good time hanging out, catching up on my medical cr@p and his new job, etc. All in all, a nice break from my medical cr@p.

XD


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So Freddy's dead...

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knightnday wrote:

I found the article an interesting read, myself. As with anything on the Internet I'm not sure how much of it was accurate/true, but if even 10 percent is on the money it is eye-opening and educational, as well as written in less technical language which is a plus.

The comments were, as always, the dark ugly side of the Internet. :(

It's very accurate. I'd say she softballed a lot of the topics, honestly.

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Just seen the Reverend Fred Phelps Sr has died.

The church he founded is famous for picketing the funerals of fallen US troops, claiming that they died as God's punishment for America's tolerance of gays.

When Rev Phelps died on Wednesday, what was God punishing him for?


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Somewhat different topic from Fred Phelps and people might have posted this already, but there's a petition for the US to recognize non-binary genders some of you might be interested in signing: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/legally-recognize-non-binary-gend ers/rD3frkgr

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CaelibDarkstone wrote:
Somewhat different topic from Fred Phelps and people might have posted this already, but there's a petition for the US to recognize non-binary genders some of you might be interested in signing: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/legally-recognize-non-binary-gend ers/rD3frkgr

I saw this. Very cool, and hopefully a good foot-in-the-door for better treatment for intersexed kids as well.


In case no one saw - there's a thread in off-topic about Michigan's ban on gay marriage being overturned.

And here's the link to the story linked in the original post in the off-topic thread.

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Wyntr wrote:

In case no one saw - there's a thread in off-topic about Michigan's ban on gay marriage being overturned.

And here's the link to the story linked in the original post in the off-topic thread.

Yeah, this is going to keep happening until it gets to the federal appellate courts and eventually to the supreme court. Good to see it keep happening though. The good thing here is that the judge didn't issue a stay until appeal.

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Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask but I have a character who is a shapeshifter who can shift between male and female anatomy but usually adopts a non gendered body and atm I'm quite unsure of how to refer to this person other than using plurals such as them, and I don't want to refer to them as "it". Any help or information on this subject would be greatly appreciated.

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They, them and theirs are pretty universally accepted for non-binary


I still like "thon". ;D

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What about Ursula Le Guin's coinage:

a, un, a’s Although she prefers singular they, Ursula K. Le Guin used this paradigm, based on British dialect, in a 1985 screenplay for her novel The Left Hand of Darkness (1969); the novel itself uses he/his/him. "Is Gender Necessary? Redux" (1976, revised, 1987), in Dancing at the Edge of the World: Thoughts on Words, Women, Places (New York: Grove Press, 1989), p. 15.

(see here)

I saw this neat gallery of transitions at jezebel.

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Okies, many thankies for answering :3


Using the third person plural pronoun they (and inflected forms them and theirs) for undetermined/inclusive singular is extremely common, levaing little ambiguity in meaning. This usage has been common in spoken English for centuries, and has observed in written English for about as long. (e.g. Chaucer used it in _Canterbury Tales_ in 1395). Traditionally, such usage has been considered "informal" or "colloquial," and its use in writing (especially formal writing) was discouraged by publishers.

Recently, many publishers are finally embracing this usage in formal writing. However, most style guides still recommend constructing sentences to avoid the form.

c.f. Wikipedia.


Interesting to consider that the "he or she" way avoiding picking a specific gender might now be considered offensive since some folks don't clearly self-identify as either "he" or "she". Oh, times it is a changing.


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Sidestepping the question of inclusiveness, repeatedly using "he or she" and "him or her" in a paragraph often results in awkward sentence structure that can confuse the reader.

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