Are "Touch Attacks" considered attacks with weapons?


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Will a Merciful Inflict Light Wounds work with the Enforcer feat to trigger the intimidate free action?

What about improved unarmed strike while holding the charge?

Also, Butterfly's sting will apply to touch attacks correct? In that when my ally successfully uses Butterfly's Sting on a creature and I am the next person that confirms a hit with a touch attack (ranged or melee) it automatically confirms the crit?

Last question, will Inflict Light Wounds using the Reach Metamagic feat cause it to be based off of dex for a Ranged Touch attack roll? (also subject to the -4 penalty for using a ranged attack in melee combat if that situation applies?)

Thanks,
Vel


Enforcer wrote:
Whenever you deal nonlethal damage with a melee weapon, you can make an Intimidate check to demoralize your target as a free action. If you are successful, the target is shaken for a number of rounds equal to the damage dealt. If your attack was a critical hit, your target is frightened for 1 round with a successful Intimidate check, as well as being shaken for a number of rounds equal to the damage dealt.
Butterfly's Sting wrote:
Benefit: When you confirm a critical hit against a creature, you can choose to forgo the effect of the critical hit and grant a critical hit to the next ally who hits the creature with a melee attack before the start of your next turn. Your attack only deals normal damage, and the next ally automatically confirms the hit as a critical.

Touch attacks are not considered weapons, although you are considered armed for the purpose of provoking an AoO.

So, no, merciful inflict will not trigger Enforcer.

An unarmed strike made with a held charge could qualify if the unarmed strike itself does nonlethal damage. However, the unarmed strike is made against normal AC, not touch AC. (it still discharges as normal)

Butterfly's Sting should work for melee touch attacks that you make. (as written, any attack can be used to generate the critical, but only a melee attack can accept the passed crit)

Inflict + Reach changes it to ranged touch, which should resolve based of standard ranged touch mechanics (Yes, use dex and ranged attack rules)

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So to clarify the point about enforcer with merciful inflict light wounds.

a) cast merciful inflict light wounds, hold the charge.
b) Use a nonlethal unarmed strike against the target.
c) the nonlethal unarmed strike deals damage, the merciful inflict light wounds goes off and deals non lethal damage.
d) the attacker makes a free intimidate check because of enforcer, lets assume it is successful.
e) the target is shaken for a number of rounds equal to the total damage from the unarmed strike, PLUS the merciful inflict light wounds damage?

Thanks in advance for clearing this up!

-Vel


Hmmm, not 100%, but I don't see the problem since all of the damage was delivered through the same attack.

However, I imagine this scenario wasn't considered when the feat was written.
Honestly I think it's fine.


APG - Feats - Enforcer wrote:
Whenever you deal nonlethal damage with a melee weapon, you can make an Intimidate check to demoralize your target as a free action. If you are successful, the target is shaken for a number of rounds equal to the damage dealt. If your attack was a critical hit, your target is frightened for 1 round with a successful Intimidate check, as well as being shaken for a number of rounds equal to the damage dealt.

Just the Unarmed Strike Damage will constitute the shaken condition's duration. The merciful spell from inflict light wounds is not a melee weapon (and never will be) and thus the nonlethal damage from the spell will not be added to the total.

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Thanks for all the help in sorting through it. Much appreciated!

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