Overhand Chop and multipule attacks.


Rules Questions


Overhand Chop (Ex)

At 3rd level, when a two-handed fighter makes a single attack (with the attack action or a charge) with a two-handed weapon, he adds double his Strength bonus on damage rolls.

This ability replaces Armor Training 1.

If you have multiple attacks can you do a combat maneuver and then use Overhand Chop? Example: Trip, then OC. If not, can you use Knockdown (RP) and then OC?

If you have Pounce, does that over rule the single attack at the end of a charge if using OC?


When it says Attack action it means a standard action attack which precludes the use of a full attack action so no tripping then Overhand.

Not sure what Knockdown is and as for the Pounce thing yes it over rules it however you can choose to make just the one attack if its more beneficial than the full round.


Knockdown (Ex)

Benefit: Once per rage, the barbarian can make a trip attack against one target in place of a melee attack. If successful, the target takes damage equal to the barbarian’s Strength modifier and is knocked prone. This does not provoke an attack of opportunity.

So while I could not use it in the first example (Standard vs full rnd attack), I could use it - or a regular trip - if used with Pounce?

(Thank you for the clarification Talon, don't know why I missed that.)


Delenot wrote:
So while I could not use it in the first example (Standard vs full rnd attack), I could use it - or a regular trip - if used with Pounce?

Knockdown and a regular trip combat maneuver can both be made in place of a melee attack. So any time you're making a melee attack, you can choose to instead do either of those.


Pounce is to full attack, so it would not work. It is interesting, though, it says "damage rolls" and not "the damage roll." Because there are definitely (standard action) attack actions that lead to more than one attack. Tripping if you have greater trip; Cleave; and so forth. I'd say by RAW you'd get the benefit on any attacks generated from your attack action. And it seems fine that way to me, not overpowered.

Grand Lodge

I wonder if a primary natural weapon that uses 1.5 strength would work with this ability, like with power attack.


StreamOfTheSky wrote:
Because there are definitely (standard action) attack actions that lead to more than one attack. Tripping if you have greater trip; Cleave; and so forth. I'd say by RAW you'd get the benefit on any attacks generated from your attack action.

The attack of opportunity created by a Greater Trip is not an attack action or a charge, so Overhand Chop does not apply.

blackbloodtroll wrote:
I wonder if a primary natural weapon that uses 1.5 strength would work with this ability, like with power attack.

That is not a two-handed weapon, so Overhand Chop does not apply.

Grand Lodge

Would this work with a two handed thrown weapon?


No because it states Melee Attack you have turned it into a Ranged Attack.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Would this work with a two handed thrown weapon?

Not normally, because throwing a two-handed weapon is a full-round action.

If you have Raging Hurler or some other ability that lets you throw a two-handed weapon as an attack action, then Overhand Chop could apply.

Reecy wrote:
No because it states Melee Attack you have turned it into a Ranged Attack.

Overhand Chop does not state this.


It does now Grick I just penciled it on the page in this forum so HA!

Grand Lodge

Well, this combined with the raging hurler power could be a nice combo.


And then if you gave it returning You could Use backswing to get it on ALL your attacks but the first!


Or you could do this

get a Heavy Blade scabard of Returning!

And the Feat Equipment Trick! That would really make this work!


Reecy wrote:
And then if you gave it returning You could Use backswing to get it on ALL your attacks but the first!

You would need quick draw and a supply of weapons, as a Returning weapon returns to the thrower just before the creature's next turn. So to make three attacks, you would need three weapons.


Oh come On grick you dont want a Great sword that can never leave the Scabbard. if you hurl it?

Grand Lodge

Would this work with the Hurling power?


If you raged then used the trick then yes.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Would this work with the Hurling power?

Overhand Chop works only with a single attack (with the attack action or a charge) with a two-handed weapon.

This means if it's not using the attack action or a charge, or if it's not using a two-handed weapon, then Overhand Chop will not apply.

Hurling, Lesser (Ex) uses a full-round action, so Overhand Chop does not apply.

Cleave uses a standard action, not the attack action, so Overhand Chop does not apply. Spring Attack uses a full-round action so Overhand Chop does not apply. Casting Fireball is not an attack action so Overhand Chop does not apply. Attacking with an appropriately sized dagger is not using a two-handed weapon, so Overhand Chop does not apply.


Gricks, I agree with you on some parts but I would Rule Spring attack Does Work since it is a Single Attack in order to do the manuever...

Technicaly it is kind of a charge and then a retreat or maybe....


Reecy wrote:

Gricks, I agree with you on some parts but I would Rule Spring attack Does Work since it is a Single Attack in order to do the manuever...

Technicaly it is kind of a charge and then a retreat or maybe....

As above, Spring Attack is a full round action. It is not the attack action, nor is it a charge. Thus, it does not work with Overhand Chop.

You cannot Charge and Spring Attack. They are both full-round actions.

Grand Lodge

Can rapid reload be used with the hurling power?


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blackbloodtroll wrote:
Can rapid reload be used with the hurling power?

Rapid Reload affects crossbows and firearms.

So if you're throwing a crossbow or firearm, and you want it to be loaded for some reason, you could load it more quickly before you throw it.

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