I agree.
Hellder, have there been any more developments?
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@Hellder thanks for your work. what did you do with the centaurs and large sized minotaurs since there's no monster classes? I wasn't happy with the orge class in 3.5 Races of Ansalon. I don't think the minotaurs should start off as large. Are monster classes addressed by any of the designers anywhere?
I'm starting a Dragonlance Pathfinder game in the War of the Lance time soon. I appreciate the work here. A few comments on classes
I think the noble classes can be easily reworked. Give it 6 skill points and an extra feat at 2nd, 6th, 10th, 14th and 18th levels.
Summoner, gunslinger, ninja, witch and maybe alchemist leave out. I'm not a fan of a lot of the classes in the Advanced Players Guide but keeping the flavor in Dragonlance I'd just make alchemists gnomes only. I know this kinda goes back to 1e/2e but IMHO think letting too much outside stuff into Dragonlance kinda goes against the grain of the setting.
I can see the Oracle being used as the mystic. I like Hellder's idea to use the samurai as a reworking of a knight class.
I think PrC's are easy to convert to Pathfinder and I think the Knights of Solomani PrC's are easy to use in Pathfinder.
I liked the conversions of the Kender.
Mike
I just wanted to remind Hellder how awesome this stuff is. I may be using it in a post-War of Souls campaign soon.
@Hellder thanks for your work. what did you do with the centaurs and large sized minotaurs since there's no monster classes? I wasn't happy with the orge class in 3.5 Races of Ansalon. I don't think the minotaurs should start off as large. Are monster classes addressed by any of the designers anywhere?
I'm starting a Dragonlance Pathfinder game in the War of the Lance time soon. I appreciate the work here. A few comments on classes
I think the noble classes can be easily reworked. Give it 6 skill points and an extra feat at 2nd, 6th, 10th, 14th and 18th levels.
Summoner, gunslinger, ninja, witch and maybe alchemist leave out. I'm not a fan of a lot of the classes in the Advanced Players Guide but keeping the flavor in Dragonlance I'd just make alchemists gnomes only. I know this kinda goes back to 1e/2e but IMHO think letting too much outside stuff into Dragonlance kinda goes against the grain of the setting.
I can see the Oracle being used as the mystic. I like Hellder's idea to use the samurai as a reworking of a knight class.
I think PrC's are easy to convert to Pathfinder and I think the Knights of Solomani PrC's are easy to use in Pathfinder.
I liked the conversions of the Kender.
Mike
Please be sure to tell us how it goes!
Reading this thread has got me back into Dragonlance. Now I need to catch up on the novels I missed after the war of souls, at least 2 trilogies, probably more.
I'd like to start a dragonlance campaign but then my friends and I are aiming to create our own world piece by piece... eventually.
Chip, read the Dark Disciple Trilogy. Everything else, especially Rise of Solamnia was meh.
Chip, read the Dark Disciple Trilogy. Everything else, especially Rise of Solamnia was meh.
Dark Disciple is on my read list. I've just recently finished the Elven Exiles trilogy, I had to find out what happened to the elves after Qualinost became a swamp and after Silvanost was conquered by the minotaurs.
That was not a bad read but most of the non Weis and Hickman stuff is bland especially since they do not necessarily follow canon.
Hellder, have you done any more work on this?
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@Shalafi2412 we've had two sessions so far. I'm setting it in the Age of Mortals in Abanasinia after Beryls death. There's a polearm human fighter, a minotaur with a greataxe, a white robed wizard and a half elf rogue. Plus two NPCs a dwarven cleric of Reorx and his brother a dwarven ranger.
I'm pretty much making stuff up as I go along using some ideas from the setting bookls and the novels. I started the 1st level PCs off as passengers on a sailing ship as an excuse to use the ship flip mat. I ran a few RP encounters and a storm. The ship landed at New Ports. There PCs found from the town guard that a group of bandits were using an abandoned house to attack caravans to Haven. The bandits they found out were allied with Baron Sameval. They defeated the bandits then a few days decided to head to Haven where a gnome construction worker fell down a hole into some uncharted elven ruins under the city. They defeated a giant spider and some ghouls and we left off when they were going to return to the ruins under Haven. I made up a thieves guild for Haven and had a sub plot of the party earning the wrath of the guild cause they got into a bar fight with two of the lower level guild members and stabbed one.
Mike
Very nice! Can I see the characters?
The thing I'm learning with Conversions is that you aren't going to get it perfect. The AD&D system is vastly different and heavily relied on the story. Pathfinder did a good job at bringing back that old feel, leaving some stuff up to the GM,but it's still heavily based on its mechanics (I blame MMOs but won't get into that). I guess the easiest way to get past this is to accept nothing as canon. Some things are just going to have to change for simplicity's sake.
I guess it's too late, but I figured it would have been best to treat the Wizard Orders as School Specializations. It's limiting a bit, but when I played a wizard in Dragonlance, I felt that it was supposed to be like that.
The spellbooks of dragonlance dragons are essentially partitioned off areas of their own minds. They use spellbooks, but don't rely on having physical ones.If you want to keep to the original:
There are no spontaneous casters before War Of The Souls with the exception of Irda (who are hidden anyway). Even dragons seem to be using books
Using existing fluff, think Witch. A dragon can just burn the scroll in a ritual that adds the spell to his "Partition."
RAW dragons and draconians are able to tap into ambient magic before the Chaos War.
Yeah, really speaking, the DL dragons are sorcerors although I guess there were some examples of them using magic like wizards. The WoW dragons do that whole partition thing in their minds.
For DL wizards in PF I created an arcane discovery that gave them access to the moons of magic at 5th level. You could easily treat the wizards as specialists as well, perhaps making them specialise in a school of magic related to their order after the test much like you can do with the Wizard of High Sorcery prestige class.
So I decided to run a DL Age of Mortals campaign at home.
So I decided to run a DL Age of Mortals campaign at home.
I'd be interested to hear any conversions that you are using or whether you are planning on running the game with classes as is and the orders are more just flavour.
I was thinking that the Sage bloodline would be good for a sorcerer, especially for ones who have epiphanies later on and join the WoHS. You could also alter the bonus spells to reflect the realms of sorcery so that a sage bloodline sorcerer can specialise in a realm.
Will you be using factions for orders of knights or anything (primarily I'm interested in how the faction rules are used since I haven't used them yet) .
I will be using the PRCs. When I brought it to my group they decided that 3.5 is easier since while Pathfinders cavalier's for example have the Orders, there might be confusion in trying to advance from Crown Knight to say Sword and Rose.
One of my problems I have when playing in Dragonlance is that I like the prestige classes as a whole however, I also like the relative simplicity of single classes from 2nd edition. I will admit though that taking that first level of WoHS is kinda exciting as it cements you in the orders and lore of Krynn.
I'm undecided about the KoS prestige classes. The original ones you had to work through the prestige classes to get to Rose I quite liked as it was similar to 2nd edition. Then they later changed it so that moving through the orders was back story and you could just take the prestige class of each order without levels in the lower ranks.
Knighly Orders of Ansalon fixed the issue. If I am reading it correctly you still have to do the quests in order to become a member of the Knightly Order. You simply do not need to take the PRC anymore to qualify because not every knight was LG and not every knight was able to cast spells. Most of the knights did not cast spells in the books/novels. The change kept a person from being a Fighter 4/Cleric 3/ KOC 4/KOS 4/KOR 4. Now you can do all of the other things, advance through the orders if the quests are met and become a fighter 9/kor.
However, I am still a little unclear if a Cleric any of the Pantheon of Light (who allow LG clerics) can become a Knight of the Rose or even a Knight of the Sword and not have Kiri-Jolith as their patron.
I do agree that the PRC for the WOHS is indeed a great class.
It doesn't look like anyone has yet mentioned the Tome of Secrets in this thread; that's a pity, because its Warlord class makes an excellent Pathfinder-strength substitute for the underpowered Dragonlance Noble, its Swashbuckler can be substituted for the Mariner with a few tweaks (as shown here), and its Knight is arguably a better Knight of Solamnia than the Cavalier, being much less mount-centric (not all Knights of Solamnia are cavalry, and in fact the Order of the Crown mostly fight as heavy infantry or archers in the mass battle scenarios that came with the original modules). I created a "Hedge Knight" variant of the class for Knights like Sturm Brightblade, who can't afford a horse and spend more time around mercenaries than aristocrats.
Interesting, Kavren.
How would you take into account the PRCS in your campaign?
Qstor, how goes it?
So I went through most of the coversions I could find online plus Hellder's great work and have compiled what I think is a great Pathfinder Dragonlance source. It is incomplete but a great start.
Did you find Guile's World? He has done quite a few updates for pathfinder although I don't think he has for a while now. I'm not sure how much he has done to bring classes up to the PF standard. Also I don't think he is working on it anymore.
As a matter of fact I did. I love his races and PRCS.
Yep, it is a good site. I'm glad I found it when I was hunting around for dragonlance pathfinder updates.
I do like it. I also like how characters can be members of Orders (WOHS, Legion of Steele, etc) without having to take levels in the PRCs. The benefits are really good though.
We will beginning this coming Sunday.
So far we have a true kender nightstalker, a human paladin that wants to be a Knight of the Rose, and a Dewar Golden Hammer.
Sounds like a good mix. Feel free to write up some notes of your game sessions, I'd be interested in reading them :)
We are going to be adding, I believe, a half elven wizard to the group. To me it is not very Dragonlancey not to have a WOHS. The paladin worships Kiri-Jolith.
The dewar is a cavalier.
The poor kender has a wisdom score of 5 and casts unseen servant to talk to the ghosts or do some haunting of areas.
So the final composistion:
Human Paladin of Kiri-Jolith (wants to be a Knight of the Rose)
Kender Nightstalker
Dewar Golden Hammer
Half-Silvanesti Abjurerer
Silvanesti Cleric of Mishakel with healing and liberation domains.
I am not sure if this is the proper place to ask, so if it is not forgive me, but do you think that clerics of other gods of light could become Knights of Solamnia?
I'm unsure about that, I don't think they could belong to the Order of the Sword since they draw power from Kiri-Jolith. The other 2 orders might be more open though they should possibly favour their order's patron more than another god of light with the exception that Paladine was revered most of all.
I don't really recall any clerics of the other gods of light being represented in the order at all.
I like how your band of heroes has shaped up, glad to see a wizard joining the ranks as well.
Good gods of Krynn cooperate heavily so it would not be completely unthinkable. The prohibition would rather come from human leadership of the Knighthood instead - they would/should welcome cooperation from worshipers of other deities (depending upon time frame, however) but I think they would be reluctant of knighting Cleric of another god - by definition being Cleric requires highest devotion to own patron while knights are expected to devote themselves to Paladine, KJ and Habbakuk.
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I am starting a new game soon, and thought I would read this board for ideas. There are a lot of them. My game is going to take place before the War of the Lance, with the PCs replacing the companions. Im not even running it the same way, just using the original adventures for locations and mining it for ideas. The game will develop as it may. I think I am going to start out with 1st level characters and write my own adventures until they reach around 4th or 5th level and end up making the best pc into the new cleric. My idea for classes is to use the classes from the Pathfinder Core and then using the PrCs from the Dragonlance Campaign book when they get there. I think that not only could this work, but it will end up bonding the group as well.
Sounds like fun! I always liked the War of the Lance era...Yep, it does. I checked out some books from the library (Trapper Creek Job Corps Center has a very poorly stocked library, but the one thing it does have is plenty of Dragonlance) ,and I like them. Plus, the necessary rulebooks are cheap (I got Dragonlance Campaign Setting and Age of Mortals for 4 bucks plus shipping). All I have to do is recruit players (this will be a face to face game, not PBP), which shouldn't be hard.
I love the DragonLance setting...where r u playing if u need players...lol
I'm unsure about that, I don't think they could belong to the Order of the Sword since they draw power from Kiri-Jolith. The other 2 orders might be more open though they should possibly favour their order's patron more than another god of light with the exception that Paladine was revered most of all.
I don't really recall any clerics of the other gods of light being represented in the order at all.
I like how your band of heroes has shaped up, glad to see a wizard joining the ranks as well.
It is an interesting concept. Half Silvanesti/Half Solamnic who is going to be a kingfisher/white robe who is a necromantic specialist.
@Shalafi2412 check the rules for the PrC in the DLCS. I think the Knights need martial weapon prof.
Mike
I think that they do but all it would take is a feat.
I am starting a new game soon, and thought I would read this board for ideas. There are a lot of them. My game is going to take place before the War of the Lance, with the PCs replacing the companions. Im not even running it the same way, just using the original adventures for locations and mining it for ideas. The game will develop as it may. I think I am going to start out with 1st level characters and write my own adventures until they reach around 4th or 5th level and end up making the best pc into the new cleric. My idea for classes is to use the classes from the Pathfinder Core and then using the PrCs from the Dragonlance Campaign book when they get there. I think that not only could this work, but it will end up bonding the group as well.
Most of the class PRCS (KOS, WOHS) have been updated in books more recent that the DLCS.
I'm unsure about that, I don't think they could belong to the Order of the Sword since they draw power from Kiri-Jolith. The other 2 orders might be more open though they should possibly favour their order's patron more than another god of light with the exception that Paladine was revered most of all.
I don't really recall any clerics of the other gods of light being represented in the order at all.
I like how your band of heroes has shaped up, glad to see a wizard joining the ranks as well.
I think that there was a cleric of Paladine/KOR is the Legend of Huma but in fairness to the other gods, you just dont hear much about the other gods of good except Mishakel prior to the AOM.
I think that the Clerists are the only KOS who draw their powers directly from the Bison of Heaven.