Shadow Spells and Metamagic


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How do Shadow Conjuration/Evocation and Metamagic interact?

Shadow Conjuration allows you to mimic a 3rd level spell. Could you mimic a 2nd level spell that becomes 3rd level through metamagic? If you can, would you be able to further modify it by applying a different metamagic feat to the Shadow Conjuration spell?

Liberty's Edge

No, because that's not actually a spell. Its a spell modified by metamagic. You can only replicate regular spells.


The metamagic feat affects the base spell (shadow conjuration/evocation) and increases its level as appropriate. The level limit of mimicked spells stays the same.

Casting an empowered shadow conjuration, for example, would require a 6th-level spell slot and would empower a mimicked 0-3rd level conjuration spell.

EDIT: Bah, typo'd and corrected.


WRoy wrote:

The metamagic feat affects the base spell (shadow conjuration/evocation) and increases its level as appropriate. The level limit of mimicked spells stays the same.

Casting an empowered shadow conjuration, for example, would require a 5th-level spell slot and would empower a mimicked 0-3rd level conjuration spell.

Minor correction: an empowered shadow conjuration would take up a 6th level slot.


WRoy wrote:

The metamagic feat affects the base spell (shadow conjuration/evocation) and increases its level as appropriate. The level limit of mimicked spells stays the same.

Casting an empowered shadow conjuration, for example, would require a 5th-level spell slot and would empower a mimicked 0-3rd level conjuration spell.

Shadow Conjuration is level 4, Empower is a +2 adjustment. 6th level slot.

The rules don't indicate that you can 'pre-metamagic' a spell with the shadow conj/evok spells. So you would be in the clear saying no.

If I were the GM I would allow it if they had the feat. For example wizard has the Metamagic Feat: Extend (not a rod) and wanted to cast an extended (+1) Communal Mount (2) [totaling 3rd level spell] via the 4th level Shadow Conjuration Spell - I think they should be able to do so.


That's a quite reasonable house-rule. GM discretion, of course.

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