Panther parry combat maneuver

[Alacrin1]

So panther parry let's you hit someone before their attack of opportunity on you. So what happens if you disarm or trip them before they can attack? Can they cancel their attack or does the attack get canceled because the weapon they are attacking with is in my hand, or do they just attack with the associated penalties (and possibly another attack from me)

[Cheapy]

Ask your GM. This is a grey area of the rules, IIRC.

[Stynkk]

It's a grey area for sure, but since you would have not gotten your AoO without them initiating an attack in the first place, it seems they'd have to follow through* (*logically, but not necessarily mechanically).

[Alacrin1]

This is for PFS so i was hoping to find something to show when i show up. But another confusing stream with this same situation is say i do a greater trip during my panther parry, i now have an aoo on him, does it go before his? Assuming I go first lets make it even more confusing i want to disarm him but i dont have the feat, he already has an aoo on me does his finally go before i disarm or do i go first since he already used his up(but interupted with panther parry)?

[Cheapy]

Eh, FAQing it.

[Grick]

Alacrin1 wrote:

say i do a greater trip during my panther parry, i now have an aoo on him, does it go before his? Assuming I go first lets make it even more confusing i want to disarm him but i dont have the feat, he already has an aoo on me does his finally go before i disarm or do i go first since he already used his up(but interupted with panther parry)?

I think this is what you're asking:

A) You begin to move out of a threatened square, provoking an attack of opportunity from the enemy.
B) The enemy begins to take his AoO against you.
C) Using Panther Style/Claw/Parry you make a retaliatory unarmed strike before the enemy AoO lands.
D) You choose to substitute a Greater Trip for your unarmed strike. Make your attack roll. You succeed, enemy begins to fall prone, and provokes an attack of opportunity from anyone who threatens him.
E) You take your attack of opportunity and choose to make an untrained disarm combat maneuver, provoking an attack of opportunity from the enemy.
F) The enemy takes his AoO against you, and stabs you with his sword.
G) You make your Disarm attempt with a penalty based on the damage you took. If you succeed, the enemy is disarmed.
H) The enemy finishes falling prone.
I) The enemy takes his original AoO against you while prone, with whatever weapon he has on hand (or he can choose to abort his attack).
J) You finish your movement.

In part I) If the enemy had no other weapon, but wanted to make an untrained unarmed strike against you, he would have provoked, and there would have been more stuff happening. I think most enemies would rather lose the AoO than provoke again attempting to do some subdual damage, especially after being manhandled like that.

[Archaeik]

I'd have to really go back an pour over all the wordings, but I've read Panther Style extensively and AFAIK you cannot replace the "retaliatory strike" with anything.

The strike is specifically an "unarmed strike".

found the part I wanted
Combat Maneuvers

Quote:

Performing a Combat Maneuver

When performing a combat maneuver, you must use an action appropriate to the maneuver you are attempting to perform. While many combat maneuvers can be performed as part of an attack action, full-attack action, or attack of opportunity (in place of a melee attack), others require a specific action.

Retaliatory Strikes are NOT AoOs, as such cannot be substituted.

[Stynkk]

Archaeik wrote:

Retaliatory Strikes are NOT AoOs, as such cannot be substituted.

This is a really interesting catch. Good job. I have to say, this is going way over my head. Hitting a FAQ, but Archaeik has found the most definitive evidence IMO.