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When a class has an SLA, but no effective spell level is indicated how is the level determined?
I am not really asking this for debate purposes. Due to the way SLA's work with the concentration rules they should have assigned levels. They however are not printed in the books. I am basically asking everyone to FAQ this so they either go back and assign levels or give an official way to determine what the level should be. I figured this would be fixed by now.
edit:AFAIK all the monsters have the effective spell level listed by their SLA's if they don't duplicate a spell.
Agreed lord wraithstrike the best i could find you is the qoute from JJ about 1 1/2 years ago stating that is equal to the highest level spell they could cast at the level it is granted. A errata or FAQ would definatly help DMs and players alike.
That could have some serious implications though as many wizard school powers and sorcerer bloodlines would now be used free of AoOs dispels and SR.
Here, here! Let there be clarity in Golarion. And beyond!!!111~~~`
And how dare you double post!
I flagged the other thread. I shall continue my plan of ruination here.
I see you have no regard for the balance of the internets! You want SLA's more clearly defined... but at what cost?!
The internets are made of chaos and can not be balanced. I am merely the observer, not the crafter of such things.
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It seems another wise fellow has an answer.
"If a character class grants a spell-like ability that is not based on an actual spell, the ability's effective spell level is equal to the highest-level class spell the character can cast, and is cast at the class level the ability is granted."
We can let this thread die now unless someone disputes the power of the CRB.
My big question is why is Divine Bond from the Paladin a SP and not a Su. At least thats how its listed on D20psrd.
Edit: its even that way on the PRD.
That should be SU no matter if it is the sword or the mount that is selected IMHO
I am assuming it is because of the weapon properties, but the at the very least the mount should be SU. I don't think they intend for someone to be able to dispel the mount.
It seems another wise fellow has an answer.
"If a character class grants a spell-like ability that is not based on an actual spell, the ability's effective spell level is equal to the highest-level class spell the character can cast, and is cast at the class level the ability is granted."
We can let this thread die now unless someone disputes the power of the CRB.
Looks like Quicken SLA is off the table for those abilities then.
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It seems another wise fellow has an answer.
"If a character class grants a spell-like ability that is not based on an actual spell, the ability's effective spell level is equal to the highest-level class spell the character can cast, and is cast at the class level the ability is granted."
We can let this thread die now unless someone disputes the power of the CRB.
Necro'd! Which is appropriate, because I'm asking for some clarification for my necromancer sorcerer.
So, I just want to make sure I'm getting this right:
-My sorcerer uses the Bloodline Power she gained at 1st level: Grave Touch (Sp).
-Let's assume she is level 4, and so can cast as high as 2nd level spells.
-This means that when she uses Grave Touch, it counts as a 2nd level spell (which will increase as she learns higher level spells), with an effective Caster Level of 1 (which will not change, because it is the level she gained the ability).
Am I interpreting this right?
No. The level of the SLA stays the same. It will always count as a first level spell.
However the caster level will change as you level up to whatever your current sorcerer level is.
edit: To clarify the highest level spell you can cast when you gain an SLA is the spell level it will count as. So if you gain it at level 1 then it would be a level 1 SLA and never change.
If you gain another SLA at level 8 then the new SLA will count as a level 4 spell since sorcerers can cast level 4 spells.
Okay, so it would be reversed from what I had it as: in my example, Grave Touch would be a 1st level spell cast at CL 4. Right?
Yes