Oversized Weapons Clarification needed.

[Morlaf]

Hello.
Human being picks up a Greataxe and attacks with it. he grabs it with hands, does 1d12 (+1.5*str+mod) damage, with no penalty.
I am arguing i can use an Oversized Great Axe and do 3d6 (+1.5*str_mod) damage with a -2 to hit.
My GM says i simply cannot do that at all.
Who is right, please?

[Bart Vervaet]

your GM is correct

quote from SRD:
The measure of how much effort it takes to use a weapon (whether the weapon is designated as a light, one-handed, or two-handed weapon for a particular wielder) is altered by one step for each size category of difference between the wielder's size and the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed. For example, a Small creature would wield a Medium one-handed weapon as a two-handed weapon. If a weapon's designation would be changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration, the creature can't wield the weapon at all.

a greataxe is a 2h weapon. So a large greataxe would be one step beyond two-handed for a medium creature, and thus unweildable.

The only way to get around this is the Titan mauler archetype (ultimate combat). They have class abilities to let you weild larger weapons.

[Maxximilius]

Bart Vervaet wrote:

The only way to get around this is the Titan mauler archetype (ultimate combat). They have class abilities to let you weild larger weapons.

Wrong. Titan Mauler doesn't let you wield bigger weapons.

[Bart Vervaet]

Maxximilius wrote:

Bart Vervaet wrote:

The only way to get around this is the Titan mauler archetype (ultimate combat). They have class abilities to let you weild larger weapons.

Wrong. Titan Mauler doesn't let you wield bigger weapons.

I stand corrected.

I thought that jotungrip combined with massive weapons would allow this, but RAW it doesn't. Jotungrip states that the weapon must be appropriately sized.

I would allow it as a GM, but RAW clearly says it can't be done.

[Morlaf]

thanks!

[Jubal Breakbottle]

Just use a Large(over-sized) bastard sword or dwarven waraxe in two-hands for 2d8 +1.5 STR mod. That's pretty sporty and better than a medium greataxe any day of the week.

cheers

[Argus The Slayer]

Jubal Breakbottle wrote:

Just use a Large(over-sized) bastard sword or dwarven waraxe in two-hands for 2d8 +1.5 STR mod. That's pretty sporty and better than a medium greataxe any day of the week.

cheers

The -2 penalty that you have to take to change the 1d10 into 2d8 is probably not worth it for most builds, except cases where you have an extraordinarily high attack bonus (high STR pure fighter?). It is less useful than Power Attack in two significant ways: it can't be turned off and it doesn't scale.

[Sah]

Maxximilius wrote:

Bart Vervaet wrote:

The only way to get around this is the Titan mauler archetype (ultimate combat). They have class abilities to let you weild larger weapons.

Wrong. Titan Mauler doesn't let you wield bigger weapons.

I would like to point out that its supposed to let you wield larger weapons, but by RAW it does not.

I can't seem to find it now, but the author of that archetype posted a way that they would fix it, which is not an official errata, but does actually allow the archetype to work as intended.

[Morlaf]

I'm sorry to keep harping on, but how come a spear ("A spear is 5 feet in length and can be thrown." from http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/weapons/weapon-descriptions/spear ) is a 2 handed weapon? and if game designers are insisting it is indeed 2-handed how come it can be thrown?

I really am struggling with this whole "you cannot use a two handed weapon with one hand" lark....

:o(

[LazarX]

Morlaf wrote:

I'm sorry to keep harping on, but how come a spear ("A spear is 5 feet in length and can be thrown." from http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/weapons/weapon-descriptions/spear ) is a 2 handed weapon? and if game designers are insisting it is indeed 2-handed how come it can be thrown?

I really am struggling with this whole "you cannot use a two handed weapon with one hand" lark....

:o(

The problem is that there are two weapons in the world which share the same name in game. Throwing spears are actually javelins in game which can be wielded one handed. The two handed spear you're thinking of is considerably larger and heavier and is not thrown, but used in the manner of a pike.

[Morlaf]

LazarX wrote:

Morlaf wrote:

I'm sorry to keep harping on, but how come a spear ("A spear is 5 feet in length and can be thrown." from http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/weapons/weapon-descriptions/spear ) is a 2 handed weapon? and if game designers are insisting it is indeed 2-handed how come it can be thrown?

I really am struggling with this whole "you cannot use a two handed weapon with one hand" lark....

:o(

The problem is that there are two weapons in the world which share the same name in game. Throwing spears are actually javelins in game which can be wielded one handed. The two handed spear you're thinking of is considerably larger and heavier and is not thrown, but used in the manner of a pike.

I beg to differ. According the game rules (I am always talking about game rules as the real world does not concern me) have "shortspear" (simple, 1-handed, 3ft long, ideal for throwing), "spear" (simple, 2-handed, 5ft long, can still be thrown) and "longspear" (same as spear but cannot be thrown and a few other specials). So my question, I feel is still a valid one.