and if there isnt where would be a good setting in Golarion for me to write one about this half term holiday seeing for the first time ever i have no marking to do!!!!!
I know the mantra that any AP can be played by any class..BUT..is there one where the party really really should be LG.
so the party really doing stuff because it is utterly the right thing to do, they find a holy avenger and seek out someone worthy to take it too, there asked to deliver 10,000gp and will do all they can to get it there...ok thats all very sickly and shiney but i hope you what i mean
the next question is
would anybody play it?
In the UK folks mostly want grim n gritty n shades of grey, but id really like to take it to the LG max
ta for listening
Legacy of Fire seems like a good choice for a LG party. Without getting too spoilery: starts with the adventurers working for the government to reclaim a lost town form the forces of chaos and evil, later followed by voluntarily opposing a much more dangerous evil threat.
Qualidar: i think i have played bits of that, all a bit deserty for me. Thinking more 'ideals of Charlegmagne' western europe knightly, pious, stuff. I know someone who owns them so i may give them a read
FallOfCam: yeah, whfrp is pretty popular setting. I do run a bit of The One Ring and being grey and too grim in that leads to ruin and despair. I will send you a copy of the masterpiece whn it is finished
had a look on the wiki, as i am no scholar of Golarion....are there APS in Lastwall or Mendev. Both are LG nations but a bit nut job!!
had a look on the wiki, as i am no scholar of Golarion....are there APS in Lastwall or Mendev. Both are LG nations but a bit nut job!!
Not as of yet. Carrion Crown is set in Ustalav, which borders on Lastwall, but that's the closest they come. I would be amazed if they didn't do one in the next five or so APs though -- Belzken and the Worldwound are the elephants in the room as far as unaddressed areas of the Inner Sea region.
Gregg: yeah i was thinking something peripheral to the shenanigans at the worldwound set in Mendev. Lots idea stuff plotted / in my head, but need to slot it into Golarion setting
There are 3 APs that would strongly appeal to a Lawful Good party:
Legacy of Fire is pure goodguy the whole way through. Smite that evil, and wear a turbin while you do it. Not even a hint of comprimise needed.
Kingmaker is what you make of it and can be played with any alignment, and in my opinion, Lawful Good would be the most fun. While it's less "smiting evil" and more "bringing civilization to the wilds and protecting my populace", that's still very much a Lawful Good agenda. And the plot never makes you do evil.
Rise of the Runelords is also great for Lawful Good. Nothing has given me such a feeling of righteous anger (even OOG) as playing book 3 of that series. Now, it is true, that at two parts of the campaign (a bit in book 2 and a to a larger extent in book 5) your characters have to "confront their own sins" - but I don't think that is inconsistent with Lawful Good play. Even the greatest of heroes need to introspect sometimes to become even stronger.
Otherwise, lots of smiting evil and saving the world the rest of the way through.
APs that are unfriendly to Lawfuls:
- Curse of the Crimson Throne
- Second Darkness
- Council of Theives
APs that are unfriendly to Goods:
- Second Darkness
- Carrion Crown
APs that don't sufficiently motivate LGs:
- Serpent's Skull
- Jade Reagent
ERIK. i really didnt like ROTRL, part 1 or 2, not quite sure why
Im running KM at the mo, up to book 5.
never quite reconciled Erastil being the god but almost everything about brevoy et al being CN, but it is a great AP
ta for help. will sit and framework out my Northern Knights AP set in Mendev over my hols.
I fully understand that the APs need a good motivation for whole range of alignments.
as i wish the party to stumble upon the AP, need to think about how they would have tied in traits to something they know nothing off!!
DUDE: im not running JR as i am playing in that in 2013 so am avoiding all spoilers. will go for something noble in that though now!
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If you want super-LG, Legacy of Fire is your best bet plot-wise. If you wanted to do a lot of work, you could reflavor it and drop it into a pseudo-Europe campaign, perhaps replacing the genies with faerie creatures (keep their stats the same, just reskin them with different descriptions).
Jade Regent also works very well as an LG AP.
Those are your best bets, and alas but they are the LEAST European APs that there are. Perhaps the future may hold new possibilities. I've been banging the drum for a Worldwound AP and hope we'll see one soon. I was also disappointed they dropped the plan for a dragons AP, as I'd love to see that happen.
Threw a spoiler on a post ;)
JASON: if it needs lot work, i may as well scribble up my own
if nothing else thread has now made me look forward to JR a bit more....it wasnt much of a spoiler!!
There is a part where you have to go through a really grey moral questioning.
In other words would really question and test a Paladin's Alignment and Paladin code.
I dont get how Carrion Crown is not suitable for LG play...
At the risk of being overly philisophical:
There is "playing a Lawful Good character", which means a character that is both Lawful and Good, but also an even-headed adventurer that can make nuanced roleplay decisions as he twists and turns through a plot. Or, as I like to put it, "playing Roy Greenhilt." Roy would not have problem with any Paizo AP, with the exception of Savage Tide.However, when someone says "LG play", they typically mean a uncomprimising Paladin that smites first, asks questions later, and expects everyone to go along with their holy mission every time. These are the sorts of players that are less interested in roleplay nuance and more interested in playing a cathartically pure archetype.
Neither is superior, and I've been interested in each type of play at various times myself.
As for CC specifically:
Book 2 arguably requires you to be Chaotic, because working for the Judge in secret isn't exactly on the up-and-up.
Book 5 has the option of killing all vampires, but I would argue that if you do that, you're missing out on what makes the module fun and interesting, and you might as well swap in Tomb of the Iron Medusa instead, as that makes for a more interesting dungeon-crawl (and thematically fits!)
Also, those who like LG-play like being heroes, and like being appreciated. Throughout the AP, the commoners are unappreciative jerks, and that can ruin the mystique a character is going for with his character.
The only APs I have experience with are Jade Regent and the Serpent Skull. The first one seems like a good one if you want to play lawful good.
[derail] Actually, that leads to the consistently poor reviews given this AP.APs that are unfriendly to Goods:
- Second Darkness
- Part 1&2 are very geared towards "selfish neutrals."
- Parts 3-6 fall apart with a party of "selfish neutrals."
thx for discussion
have now mind mapped out first four mods of my 'LG but not zealot so truly LG' AP idea
has the 4th crusade as a back drop, but i wouldnt be so rude as to either suggest what happened to Aroden OR venture into the world wound itself. Ill leave that one to Paizo!!
wanted to call it the Righteous Ressurection (RR), but i am informed that inpinges alot on real world beliefs, so am going for the Valiants Vigil (VV) instead, until something better pops into mind. Am open to suggestions of suitable LG titles!!
MODULE 1: THE LAST PRAYER OF THE DYING
MODULE 2: MERCYS MISSION
MODULE 3: THE LOST BEACON OF LIGHT
MODULE 4: SACRIFICE (or flights, cant quite decide) OF ANGELS
quite pleased thus far....bits of homage to some very old modules like the chevaliers shrine, the gauntlet, starstone and others no doubt
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Feel free to steal or borrow or steal liberally from HERE
Where I outlined my ideal Lastwall to Mendev Lawful Good AP idea.
Feel free to steal or borrow or steal liberally from HERE
Where I outlined my ideal Lastwall to Mendev Lawful Good AP idea.
doh, didnt see that thread!!! I see I may have already thought along the same lines as you
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I threw out a quick notion for a Worldwound AP a while back as well. It was over here.
Viva la Crusade! :)
Jason. ta for that....i had a feeling it wouldnt be an original idea!!
I take your point Novalord. Just to say I'm British and I far prefer heroic characters and campaigns to grim and gritty.
I prefer Superman to Batman too.
Fall, I thought we british gamers disowned you for your colonial gaming tendencies ;)
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On a serious note I think most AP's should be fine for LG characters. Some AP's assume a type of character. RotR assumes that the players are relatively heroic for example as does LoF. Serpent's Skull and Second Darkness initially assume that the players will be relatively mercenary in their outlook. It is up to the GM to manage these expectations and steer players towards concepts that won't clash with the campaign. The same goes for players.
Regarding CC:
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Jason. ta for that....i had a feeling it wouldnt be an original idea!!
Hey, good ideas are good ideas, wherever they originate!
I also sketched out a Worldwound campaign in the entry for Storasta in Lost Cities of Golarion; you might pick up that book if you want to see about 1500-ish words on the subject.
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On a serious note I think most AP's should be fine for LG characters. Some AP's assume a type of character. RotR assumes that the players are relatively heroic for example as does LoF. Serpent's Skull and Second Darkness initially assume that the players will be relatively mercenary in their outlook. It is up to the GM to manage these expectations and steer players towards concepts that won't clash with the campaign. The same goes for players.
Regarding CC:
** spoiler omitted **
I don't think this moral choice in CC is less a moral dilema for CG or NG characters. It's more of a good rather than lawful problem, though I think working with the lesser evil to deal with the greater threat is isn't something endangers the good of a character, even a Paladin, though all those good characters have to have it on their agenda to 'come back' latter. The same might go for Second Darkness, though I only know the about the choice there in general rather than the fine details.
Jason. ta for that....i had a feeling it wouldnt be an original idea!!Hey, good ideas are good ideas, wherever they originate!
I also sketched out a Worldwound campaign in the entry for Storasta in Lost Cities of Golarion; you might pick up that book if you want to see about 1500-ish words on the subject.
will borrow from a chum who buys every book paizo put out....though that means im not adding to your royalties !!
CURSE YOU!!!!!!
Hey wait, I don't get royalties. One-time contract fee.
Oh well. In that case dontcaredontcaredontcare... :)
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