Do morale bonuses end when unconscious?


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I have a barbarian who was under rage when he was knocked unconscious and dying. That of course ended his rage. However I have a Second Darkness campaign trait (Opportunistic Gambler) that increases morale bonus duration by 1d4 rounds after they have ended. So even if I am dying and fatigued, do I still get to keep my morale bonuses from Rage?

Grand Lodge

No. If you're unconcious you no longer have morale as a consideration.

Dying from coming out of rage is an occupational hazard for a Barbarian.


LazarX wrote:
No. If you're unconcious you no longer have morale as a consideration.

I've never seen a rule stating such. Makes a certain amount of sense, but from a RAW standpoint, "morale" is just another name for a type of bonus.

LazarX wrote:
Dying from coming out of rage is an occupational hazard for a Barbarian.

True, that. This trait might help mitigate that hazard, though. I'd let it play through.

I think the rules are in your favor, and it doesn't detract from the game. Adds a little tension when times get tough, in fact. Of course, were I DMing, I'd roll that 1d4 behind the screen. Bwah ha ha.


RAW you keep the bonus. For the sake of realism I would say no.
I don't take it away in my games, but I can definitely understand the ruling if someone does.

The Exchange

Oddly enough, the 'unconscious' condition does not specifically state that you lose morale bonuses. Of course, the RaW also does not state that your character will not suffer Spontaneous Human Combustion...

Comes a point where every GM has to realize that the CRB writers were trying to put a reasonable limit on the word count of that book, and certain statements ("Gravity draws things toward the ground," "Air is transparent," "Unconscious people do not experience emotions") were deemed too obvious to waste ink on.


Lincoln Hills wrote:
Comes a point where every GM has to realize that the CRB writers were trying to put a reasonable limit on the word count of that book, and certain statements ("Gravity draws things toward the ground," "Air is transparent," "Unconscious people do not experience emotions") were deemed too obvious to waste ink on.

[SARCASM]

The Core Rulebook tells the Truth, the Whole Truth, and Nothing but the Truth.

Those statements are not in the Book because they are untrue, false, and lies.

"Gravity draws things toward the ground,"
Untrue, I am drawn to the Sun and circle around it just like the Earth.

"Air is transparent,"
False, I have seen pictures of that nasty haze that hangs around our planet forcing us to put telescopes in space.

"Unconscious people do not experience emotions"
Lies, the Boggyman in my dreams is REAL and very scary.

[/SARCASM]

Grand Lodge

Adam Moorhouse 759 wrote:
LazarX wrote:
No. If you're unconcious you no longer have morale as a consideration.

I've never seen a rule stating such. Makes a certain amount of sense, but from a RAW standpoint, "morale" is just another name for a type of bonus.

So is Dodge, but I don't think anyone is going to make much of an argument for the retention of dodge bonuses while unconscious.


LazarX wrote:
Adam Moorhouse 759 wrote:
LazarX wrote:
No. If you're unconcious you no longer have morale as a consideration.

I've never seen a rule stating such. Makes a certain amount of sense, but from a RAW standpoint, "morale" is just another name for a type of bonus.

So is Dodge, but I don't think anyone is going to make much of an argument for the retention of dodge bonuses while unconscious.

There is RAW for that though.

Quote:
Any situation that denies you your Dexterity bonus also denies you dodge bonuses.

The Exchange

Fanatic Guru wrote:

...Those statements are not in the Book because they are untrue, false, and lies.

"Gravity draws things toward the ground,"
Untrue, I am drawn to the Sun and circle around it just like the Earth.

"Air is transparent,"
False, I have seen pictures of that nasty haze that hangs around our planet forcing us to put telescopes in space.

"Unconscious people do not experience emotions"
Lies, the Boggyman in my dreams is REAL and very scary.

[/SARCASM]

Noice one!

(The sad part is I actually hesitated before using 'Air is transparent,' saying to myself, 'Well, it's not technically true, only true enough for practical purposes.' And then I realized I was becoming the very thing I was mocking, so I let it go.)


Yes, the trait would extend the benefits of your rage after it ended by d4 rounds, as they are all morale bonuses. PF nerfed rage from untyped to morale and 99 out of 100 times, it's to the detriment of the barbarian. Good on you for finding an ability to capitalize on it being re-classed a morale bonus and not having to spend a feat tax on Raging Vitality just to not hit "sudden death" from losing rage unexpectedly (another thing that was not an issue in 3.5).

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