Are arrows fired from a bow with the Seeking property affected by a Wind Wall?
Seeking:
The weapon veers toward its target, negating any miss chances that would otherwise apply, such as from concealment. The wielder still has to aim the weapon at the right square. Arrows mistakenly shot into an empty space, for example, do not veer and hit invisible enemies, even if they are nearby.
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Wind Wall:
[spoiler]An invisible vertical curtain of wind appears. It is 2 feet thick and of considerable strength. It is a roaring blast sufficient to blow away any bird smaller than an eagle, or tear papers and similar materials from unsuspecting hands. (A Reflex save allows a creature to maintain its grasp on an object.) Tiny and Small flying creatures cannot pass through the barrier. Loose materials and cloth garments fly upward when caught in a wind wall. Arrows and bolts are deflected upward and miss, while any other normal ranged weapon passing through the wall has a 30% miss chance. (A giant-thrown boulder, a siege engine projectile, and other massive ranged weapons are not affected.) Gases, most gaseous breath weapons, and creatures in gaseous form cannot pass through the wall (although it is no barrier to incorporeal creatures).
While the wall must be vertical, you can shape it in any continuous path along the ground that you like. It is possible to create cylindrical or square wind walls to enclose specific points.
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Nope. There's no miss chance involved, which is what seeking specifically works against.
I would say no, the seeking property doesn't help. It negates miss chances. Blur and Displacement do give a miss chance, so the seeking arrow does work against them. The Wind wall spell doesn't give an arrow or bolt a miss change, it automatically deflects them.
A miss chance implies that its still possible to hit. Wind Wall makes it impossible for arrows and bolts to hit.
A chance to miss is not a "miss chance". "Miss chance" is a specific game term that refers to using the d100 dice when you have a certain percentile of automatically missing, which is normally 20% or 50%.
As an example of something that specifically helps to get past "miss chance" I will post a feat.
Benefit: In melee, every time you miss because of concealment (see Combat), you can reroll your miss chance percentile roll one time to see if you actually hit.
An invisible attacker gets no advantages related to hitting you in melee. That is, you don't lose your Dexterity bonus to Armor Class, and the attacker doesn't get the usual +2 bonus for being invisible. The invisible attacker's bonuses do still apply for ranged attacks, however.
You do not need to make Acrobatics skill checks to move at full speed while blinded.
I disagree. If you're trying to hit someone, and there's a wind wall in the way, the arrow will be caught in said wind wall. Wind wall doesn't give someone a miss chance or concealment verses arrows, it completely deflects the arrows away. A normal ranged weapon can pass through a wind wall with a miss chance, and if you give such a weapon the Seeking property, it would hit. Arrows and bolts would still be ineffective, as I understand it.
Seeking arrows and bolts no. Seeking chakram or the good ole trusty thrown hammer yep.
Nope. There's no miss chance involved, which is what seeking specifically works against.
100% miss chance is still a miss chance.
Not saying I disagree with you, but there is a valid claim that seeking arrows would negate wind wall based on the text.
I merged the threads on this topic.
Nope. There's no miss chance involved, which is what seeking specifically works against.100% miss chance is still a miss chance.
Not saying I disagree with you, but there is a valid claim that seeking arrows would negate wind wall based on the text.
Except there isn't a valid claim. Miss chance is a codified term in the game, as concerro pointed out. Wind Wall does not use that term at all, so there's no reason to think it works.
And if you go at it from a natural language point of view, it still doesn't work since there's no "chance" of not missing with Wind Wall. You will miss and there's no "chance" involved at all.