Okay so I think the fact that Mythical Monsters and Giants revisited were proposed on threads a while back, and Paizo heeded the voice of the fans. Let us once more propose our Revisited wishlists and hope that this popular line of books can continue.
So far we have:
>Classic Monsters Revisited:
Bugbear, Gnoll, Goblin, Hobgoblin, Kobold, Lizardfolk, Minotaur, Ogre, Orc, Troll
>Dragons Revisited:
Red, Blue, Green, White, Black, Gold, Silver, Bronze, Copper, Brass
>Dungeon Denizens Revisited:
Bulette, cloaker, gelatinous cube, mimic, otyugh, owlbear, purple worm, roper, rust monster, and shambling mound.
>Classic Horrors Revisited:
Mummy, vampire, werewolf, mindless undead (zombie, juju zombi, skeleton), flesh golem, gargoyle, ghosts, ghoul, hags, derro
>Misfits Redeemed:
Adherer, Disenchanter, Flumph, Wolf-in-Sheeps-clothing, Lava child, Delver, Tojanida, Lurking Ray, Flail Snail, Dire Corby
>Undead Revisited:
Lich, Devourer, Ravener, Graveknight, Spectral dead (Allips,Spectres, Wraiths), Bodak, Wight, Shadow, Nightshade, Mohrg
>Classic Treasures Revisited:
Bag of Holding, Cube of Force, Deck of Many Things, Figurines of Wondrous Power, Helm of Brilliance, Horn of Valhalla, Sphere of Annihilation, Staff of the Magi, Vorpal Sword, Well of Many Worlds
>Mythical monsters Revisited:
Chimera, couatl, griffon, harpy, hydra, kraken, medusa, phoenix, sphinx, wendigo
>Giants Revisited (coming soon):
Hill giants, stone giants, frost giants, fire giants, cloud giants, storm giants, rune giants, marsh giants, taiga giants, and cyclops.
Here's my most recently compiled list. I'll post/repost the others later. This one I've started calling 'Eldritch Enemies Revisited', though I'm happy to accept suggestions for a better one. The theme of this list is the weirdest and coolest monsters that are ancient threats to the material plane. They are diverse, and often lovecraftian. But as the Call of Cthullu books cover the star-spawn and Yog-Soggoth better elsewhere, I've instead focussed on monsters that I've seen in the various Paizo books and thought 'huh, that'd make a good campaign enemy'.
So...Eldritch Enemies Revisited:
Worm-that-Walks
(My fav monster from Bestiary 2. So much can be done in terms of flavour and variants on this beastie)
Xill
(Always wanted to know more about these guys, but have trouble finding anything on them. Especially for Golarion)
Aboleth
(The mother of all untapped Lore. Ran shore to sea recently and loved it. It left me desperate to know more on the role these beasties play in Golarion)
Neothelid/Seugathi
(Since I came across these fellas in 'Into the Darklands' I've wanted to use them as villains. Again, these are untapped villains for big parklands campaigns)
•Skum
(The Ulat-Kiri interest me, and not just cos of the lovecraft connection. I think a lot of people dismiss them as forgettable minions. Yet there's a lot you can do with them)
Denizen of Leng
(Now I hear these guys get some love in RotRL, but I haven't got that AP. But what little I've unearthed on them from the Bestiary has left me hungry for more. The Plateu of Leng sounds very adventure worthy.)
Mi-Go
(When a friend told me these get a write up in Carrion Crown, I was very happy. Of the Lovecraftian races, I always thought these Dwellers in Darkness had the most potential. Like with the Denizens, I think we need more than a 2 page bestiary entry.)
Shoggoth
(Their inclusion goes without saying)
Ghorazaghs
(The 'Gore Weavers' are a new one to me, as I'm sure they are to many GM's who've just gotten hold of the Bestiary 3. But if the art doesn't sell you, the terrifying lore presented on them in that book will. Ripe for development)
Intellect Devourers
(Bodyhopping Brain monsters? What's not to love? After reading through Vaults of Madness, I started getting all sorts of plot ideas for these bad boys. Infiltration, manipulations, body theft. Lotsa potential.)
Honourable mentions:
Serpentfolk, Gug's, Morlocks, Couerl, Akata, Moonflower, Moon-Beast, Yithian, Neh-Thalggu, Phase spider, Astral Shark.
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Fey Revisited, still want. Dryad, Satyr, Pixie, Nymph, Forlarren, ....Gremlin......, Sprite, and so on.
Further down the line, I honestly wouldn't mind seeing something like Demons/Angels/Devils/Azata/etc revisited, where the most iconic types of those outsiders get some in-depth exploration.
And reason be damned, I'd buy an Ooze Revisited book that had plenty of meat on their origins, ecology, practical applications, etc. Fold Green Slime in their with its own entry and you have an adventurer's nightmare.
Funny you should mention Fey revisited.
Cos I have my own list:
Faerie Tales Retold
>Dryad
(Probly the second most recognisable fey. I've often used these for RPencounters, as they are make one of the friendlier and more interesting of monster npc's)
> Leprechuan
(Bear with me laddy. I've not been on the whisky. I just think this little fellow has is a *ahem* pot of gold waiting for campaigns to make use of)
>Mite
(Gremlins get alot of love everywhere. Mites not so much. Yet they can make great low lv monsters )
>Little Folk
(aka Pixie, Sprites, atomie, brownie etc. Not enough for 6 pages each, but a resource for helping tell them apart and bring life to them would be appreciated)
>Water spirits
(Nixie, Kelpie, Nereid, Miengo, Rusalka. I have trouble deciding on a single one from these. But again their similarity makes an article to further distinguish these water bound fey in terms of more than just CR)
>Pech
(I don't know many gamers who have heard of these guys. These rock loving fey deserve more exposure, and show that not all fey are forest-themed)
>Redcap
(Always like these little guys, but never quite knew where or how to use them. They have a lot of unique flavour, but little lore. Time for that to change)
>Satyr/Fawns
(Probly not anyone's idea of 'cool' but these fey are badly represented. Like with Dryads, lot of RP potential as npc's. As variants, I see something channeling the 'billy goats gruff' tale, with each brother getting bigger. I wonder what the third 'brother' of this group would be like)
>Spriggan
(Gnomes gone bad. The Spriggan get little attention. But reading bout the Eloko in 'Heart of the Jungle' made me think that there's alot more that can done with these guys)
>Quickling
(and everyone goes 'what are they?' exactly. Time these Bestiary 2 alumni showed gamers than the Fey aren't all smiles and sunshine)
Honourable Mention:
Nymph, Forlarren, Lurker-In-Light, Graymalkin, Gray Nisp
As I think the interest on this thread is dwindling, I'll cut the commentary. Here's my List for Aquatic creatures, not counting those covered elsewhere or in an earlier list.
Underwater Monsters Revisited:
>Chuul
>Devilfish
>Draugr
>Grindylow
>Merfolk
>Sahuagan
>Sea Serpent
>Triton
>Water Orm
>Vodyanoi
Honourable mentions: Aboleth, Skum
Here's my most recently compiled list. I'll post/repost the others later. This one I've started calling 'Eldritch Enemies Revisited', though I'm happy to accept suggestions for a better one. The theme of this list is the weirdest and coolest monsters that are ancient threats to the material plane. They are diverse, and often lovecraftian. But as the Call of Cthullu books cover the star-spawn and Yog-Soggoth better elsewhere, I've instead focussed on monsters that I've seen in the various Paizo books and thought 'huh, that'd make a good campaign enemy'.
So...Eldritch Enemies Revisited:
Worm-that-Walks
(My fav monster from Bestiary 2. So much can be done in terms of flavour and variants on this beastie)Xill
(Always wanted to know more about these guys, but have trouble finding anything on them. Especially for Golarion)Aboleth
(The mother of all untapped Lore. Ran shore to sea recently and loved it. It left me desperate to know more on the role these beasties play in Golarion)Neothelid/Seugathi
(Since I came across these fellas in 'Into the Darklands' I've wanted to use them as villains. Again, these are untapped villains for big parklands campaigns)•Skum
(The Ulat-Kiri interest me, and not just cos of the lovecraft connection. I think a lot of people dismiss them as forgettable minions. Yet there's a lot you can do with them)Denizen of Leng
(Now I hear these guys get some love in RotRL, but I haven't got that AP. But what little I've unearthed on them from the Bestiary has left me hungry for more. The Plateu of Leng sounds very adventure worthy.)Mi-Go
(When a friend told me these get a write up in Carrion Crown, I was very happy. Of the Lovecraftian races, I always thought these Dwellers in Darkness had the most potential. Like with the Denizens, I think we need more than a 2 page bestiary entry.)Shoggoth
(Their inclusion goes without saying)Ghorazaghs
(The 'Gore Weavers' are a new one to me, as I'm sure they are to many GM's who've just gotten hold of the Bestiary 3....
I'd by this in a heartbeat. Though I'd say add Leng Spider to the Denizens of Leng section. Also, gotta have the Hounds of Tindalos there. That's classic Lovecraft.
This list was harder, as there are some species of Outsider you could feel a whole book on in their own right. Usually the ones with a bug segment in each bestiary. I tried to pick put the most interesting, underdeveloped and material plane relevant planar beasties.
Extraplanar monsters Revisited:
>Axiomite
>Barghest
>Blink Dogs
>Lurker in Light
>Nightmare
>Phase Spider
>Salamander
>Urdefhan
>Xorn
>Xill
Honourable mentions:
Dimensional Shambler, Hound of Tindalos
Also:
Genies Revisited!
>Marid, Shaitan, Djinni, Efreeti, Janni and... (unless their covered in Ultimate Races)
>Undine, Oread, Sylph, Ifrit, Suli
Elementals Revisited!
>Fire, Water, Earth, Wind
>Lightning, Magma, Ice, Mud
>Sandman, Belker
Yeah Given the choice I'd swap out Xill for Hounds of Tindalos. How could I forget my favourite monster?!! But Leng spiders get a lot of coverage in the Adherer article in 'Misfits Redeemed'. So it seems redundant to focus two slots on them.
Not sure on name but tried to go for a more modern legends vibe.
Legends Rediscovered:
>Banshee (???)
>Boogeyman
>Chupacabra
>Doppelgänger
>Mothman
>Morlocks
>Sasquatch
>Strix
>Will-O'-Wisp
>Yeti
See this last list has too many alternatives to list. This is just the latest incarnation. I think it'll probly change again when I read a new AP bestiary. In particular, I'm unsure that the Banshee is the best fit. Have changes it from Spring-heeled Jack, Scarecrow, Dullahan and back to banshee over the last hour.
>Suggestions?
Anyways that's my lists, compiling in one place all of what I've Read/Discussed on other forums and added my own commentary to them.
Anyone got any suggestions to these lists, or one of their own. I'd love to see em.
Who knows, perhaps someone will spy this thread and we'll get an announcement on a new product: Oozes Revisited! (and now I must compulsively throw that together)
All joking aside, I'd love to see a 'Dungeon Classics Revisited' book that takes some popular dungeon monsters and puts them in a broader light. Mimics, Gelatonus Cubes, Oozes, and Rust Monsters are some examples I can think of.
Paizo already has you covered Odraude.
"Dungeon Denizens Revisited:
Bulette, cloaker, gelatinous cube, mimic, otyugh, owlbear, purple worm, roper, rust monster, and shambling mound."
Check the Pathfinder back catalog, I highly recommend this one. Have got a lot of inspiration from this one.
I see, that's cool. Shouldn't be hard at all to convert them over either.
In fact, if you use Hero Lab like me you'll find one of the data packages does it for you. Have used it to get the pfrpg statblocks on a few of the variants for my games. Stats and rules updates aside, the lore and ecology in this book makes it stand out as one the best Revisited books.
Though personally, my fav was Misfits Redeemed due to the huge variety and quality reimagining.
Reading it now. it's kind of funny that since I was real young, I always thought mimics should be any shape. I even made on that looked like a door and it'd attack people that tried to open it.
I kinda feel vindicated now :)
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Yeah Given the choice I'd swap out Xill for Hounds of Tindalos. How could I forget my favourite monster?!! But Leng spiders get a lot of coverage in the Adherer article in 'Misfits Redeemed'. So it seems redundant to focus two slots on them.
Actually those were phase spiders, not Leng spiders (at least in my original turnover, though I don't think it got changed).
A 'Dragons Re-Revisited' would have to include the Imperial Dragons: Mountain, Sea, sky, Forest, Underworld, Celestial, and the ones from B2: Magma, Umbral, Cloud, Brine Crystal. That would definitely have my vote, I see all these cool new dragons and I have little idea how to run with them.
I really don't think that Paizo needs to reprint the first set of Chromatic and Metallic Dragons. When you say Heavily Retconned, I think you really mean light changes to the Statistics. Which are irrelevent as It's all about the lore and ecology for me. What's written in there is still very relevant to Golarion.
And right you are Mr Nelson, it is the Phase spiders that crafted the Adherers. Perhaps the Leng spiders do need a write up. Seems like these extraplanar Arachnids all look alike ;)
Oh and as I have to save for Ultimate Races, the Tiefling and Aasimar books and the three big evil books (Demons, Devils, Daemons). I'm wondering about variety. Not too fussed myself, but I assume there's a Market for book/s that focuss more on good outsiders?
I think one of the reasons why you don't see alot of the good outsiders written up is because usually, you won't be fighting the good guys. They are still nice to have stats for in case you summon one or have one as an ally, but the evil books sell because they give enemies that the GM can just use as is against their players.
Also, of the books out already, what are people's favourate revisited article?
Mine is probably the Gargoyles one, if anyone's a Doctor Who fan you'll probly appreciate the weeping angel reference.
After that, probably the Tojanida. My group seemed to enjoy the charisma if the Ishian Variant in the shore to sea campaign.
Also pondering whether 'Dungeons of Golarion' or it's ilk should be added to the list at the top. Anyone read that?
Yeah I don't really give much thought to good outsiders, but the recent Couatl article has given me some ideas for using in my Serpents skull game.
So far, I dig the mimic article in Dungeon Denizens. The lurker above/trapper one is cool too as well as the rust monster...
I seem to really like the monsters that kinda screw over players...oh well lol
Heh. Don't we all? Gelatinous Cube + Trap door = Classic Hijinks...
What do you make of the Disenchanter? I thought that was the weakest one in the Misfits book. Though they really did put some effort into it.
And though my creative energies are currently tapped out, I wonder what would crop up in a 'Misfits Redeemed' 2...
Ah I see your point Volaran. I must confess that I probably enjoyed the Dragons one the least of the series. I am no Dracophile, and I'm one of the few GM's who likes to run a campaign without there having to be Dragons everywhere. That book did give me some ideas on how to work them in though and how to read into their character. The specific Golari-politics I guess I just glossed over.
So...Eldritch Enemies Revisited:Worm-that-Walks
Xill
Aboleth
Neothelid/Seugathi
Skum
Denizen of Leng
Mi-Go
Shoggoth
Ghorazaghs
Intellect DevourersHonourable mentions:
Serpentfolk, Gug's, Morlocks, Couerl, Akata, Moonflower, Moon-Beast, Yithian, Neh-Thalggu, Phase spider, Astral Shark.
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This is a book I would so buy, but I'd drop Skum, Denizen of Leng, Mi-Go, Shoggoths, (hear me out please) and replace them with the Courl, Akata, Neh-Thalggu, and Phase Spider.
The I'd put out Literary Monsters revisited:
Serpentfolk (Clark Ashton Smith / Robert E. Howard)
Morlocks (H.G. Wells)
Denizen of Leng and Leng Spider (H. P. Lovecraft)
Elder Thing and Shoggoth (H. P. Lovecraft)
Hounds of Tindalos (Frank Belknap Long)
Jabberwock (Lewis Carrol)
Bandersnatch (Lewis Carrol)
Yithian (H. P. Lovecraft)
Mi-Go (H. P. Lovecraft)
Skum (H. P. Lovecraft / Lin Carter / Diverse hands)
Yes, this is heavy on Cthulhu Mythos critters, but that's only because Flesh Golems, Vampires, and Derro are covered in Classic Horrors revisited.
Hhhm...a very good list. I'd definitely buy that.
Don't think Serpentfolk need a write up tho, post-Serpents skull and all.
Hhhm...a very good list. I'd definitely buy that.
Don't think Serpentfolk need a write up tho, post-Serpents skull and all.
Don't have that AP, so wasn't aware that they had gotten a write-up in it.
But then again, Goblins and Ogres both got lots of fluff in Rise of the Runelords and are in Classic Monsters Revisited. And Tieflings are getting their own book even though they got a heaviy write-up in one of the APs as well (not sure which one though).
Granted. I think with a race with a history like the Serpentfolk, there's always more to write about.
Okay so I guess I had some leftover creativity after all.
Here's my list for a 'Misfits Redeemed' successor.
Fantastical Foes Revisited
>Athach (Picked this over Ettins cos I know very little about them. They look mana waste mutants or Wizard experiments, lots of room for exploration here)
>Aranea (Proble the 'sentient spider' monster with the least exposure. Driders, Ettercaps and Phase Spiders aside. What's with these shapeshifting Arachnids?)
>Behir (more than just a many legged blue dragon. What's the origins of these monsters. Why do they hate adventurers?)
>Crysmal (a race of crystal monsters that replicate and grow? I smell variants!)
>Cockatrice (one of my favourites from mythology that rarely gets the exposure it deserves)
>Gorgon (Whenever I see this beastie I think, hold on weren't medusa's sisters called the Gorgons. But rpg's over the decades have instead appropriated the name to combine multiple mythical monsters into one tough customer. But what are it's origins in Golarion?)
>Grick (never even heard of these things prior to Second Darkness. Definitely need more exposure, and more variants like the Jungle Grick)
>Mongrelman (the least developed darklands race, with the largest capacity for variety)
>Varguille (something about these guys always creeped me out. There's a definite place in all GM's hearts for floating head monsters, of which these may be one of the lesser known)
>Vegepygmy (I love these critters and am very glad they made the transition from Tome of Horrors. But would love to know more about their biology and society. Plus more Thorny variants!)
Honourable mentions:
Treant, Manticore, Basilisk, Kamadan, Ettins, Phantom Fungus
Familiars Revisited
Don't know how popular this would be, as it's a list dedicated to a mere ten of the 'Improved familiars'. Lotta low rung outsiders taken whose flavor could be expanded on. But the books utility is limited to witches/Wizards. Though alot of these critters are interesting in their own right.
>Arbiter
>Carbuncle
>Homunculus
>Imp
>Mephit
>Paracletus
>Quasit
>Silvanshee
>Spirit Oni
>Stirge
Honourable Mentions:
Too many to mention...
Again this is just my list. I wonder where my obsession will lead me next...
Woo 10 lists already! Wonder how many we can squeeze out of this meme?
Towering Terrors Revisited:
A fanboy nod to 10 of the memorable monsters that leave adventurers cowering. No-uniques or epic CR monsters allowed.
>Charybdis
>Gorillon
>Froghemoth
>Gug
>Gray Render
>Remorhaz
>Roc
>Scylla
>Treant
>Thunderbird
Honourable mentions:
Dragon horse,
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