Wall of Friction


Rules Questions


is a wall of force a smooth surface or does it produce friction? what's the DC to climb one?


I see no reason that it would be anything other than a smooth surface. As such the DC to climb a perfectly smooth/flat verticle/inverted surface is impossible.


smooth, and fun to lick! (It tastes like, burning!)


Under 3.5 epic rules, climbing a perfectly smooth, vertical surface was a DC 70 climb check.


AvalonXQ wrote:
Under 3.5 epic rules, climbing a perfectly smooth, vertical surface was a DC 70 climb check.

Reminds me of a player trying to reason with his GM why he should be able to take 30 on a check...


the friction part is importan, I want to know how objects react when they interact with the wall and if the mage can chose the smoothness in the moment of casting.


d20 PFSRD Wall of Force entry wrote:
The caster can form the wall into a flat, vertical plane whose area is up to one 10-foot square per level. The wall must be continuous and unbroken when formed. If its surface is broken by any object or creature, the spell fails.

Link for reference.

A vertical plane means a vertical wall. The spell also says the caster can form the wall into a flat, vertical plane, but doesn't state any other options. Opinions are going to explode soon.

This has been, and will always be, my least favorite wall spell.

Dark Archive

AvalonXQ wrote:
Under 3.5 epic rules, climbing a perfectly smooth, vertical surface was a DC 70 climb check.

And a level 20 half-orc shifter Ranger with cat form could do it.

20 ranks in climb
+3 (class skill)
+4 athletic feat (untyped)
+6 skill focus (climb) (untyped)
+10 ring of climbing, improved (competence)
+1 half-orc rock climber feat (racial Trait)
+10 (Master Shifter, cat form) (untyped)
+6 str bonus (stat bonus)

minimal climb check of 61, 70 if he "takes 10".

Sorry, I could not resist.


Another question: Does the force created via spells have any mass? I've always assumed not because it's magic. As such I've always assumed that "force fields" have no friction coefficient. Maybe it only seems like a wall, but really is just a spell that pushes against anything trying to move through the area. Like a mime isn't really in a box, but his hands (the application of magical force) will still present some kind of hinderance.

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Now we need a Mime archetype that makes small Walls of Force as a spell-like ability.


For purposes of a creature attempting to climb a wall of force, I'd treat it, initially, as perfectly flat, clean (modern) glass.

So, rubber-soled shoes and a climbing rope would allow someone to vault it in relatively short order.

Also, someone sloshing oil up against the wall of force would slick it up and make said character slip and possibly fall.

Grand Lodge

Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:
Now we need a Mime archetype that makes small Walls of Force as a spell-like ability.

That's MR. Mime to you sir!

Grand Lodge

Jucassaba wrote:
is a wall of force a smooth surface or does it produce friction?

I think neither. It's not a surface that a climber can contact, but purely a region of energy that pushes outwards from a plane in space.

Jucassaba wrote:
what's the DC to climb one?

Much the same as the DC to climb thin air. I expect there is one in 3.5.

Liberty's Edge

Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:
Now we need a Mime archetype that makes small Walls of Force as a spell-like ability.

Mimes always provoke AoO from everyone. Even PCs/NPCs/monsters that aren't in reach, unaware of the mime, and dead.

Every time they use their abilities, they gain a permanent negative level. And a permanent loss of 2 Charisma.


Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:
Now we need a Mime archetype that makes small Walls of Force as a spell-like ability.

We already have one, sortof. It's called The House of the Imaginary Walls...

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