Witch Wizard & Daze

[nosig]

If a character has a level of Wizard, and a level of Witch, and has the spell Daze on both spell lists (and prepared)...

can he target the same person with the two Daze spells within 10 rounds have have them effect the target?

For example, the wizard targets the Barbarian with a Daze spell on round one and the Barb fails the save and does nothing.
On round two the Witch targets the same barbarian with a Daze spell and.... does the Barbarian need to make a save? it's a different Daze - or is it?

Daze:

Daze
School enchantment (compulsion) [mind-affecting]; Level bard 0,
sorcerer/wizard 0
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, M (a pinch of wool or similar substance)
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target one humanoid creature of 4 HD or less
Duration 1 round
Saving Throw Will negates; Spell Resistance yes
This spell clouds the mind of a humanoid creature with 4 or fewer
Hit Dice so that it takes no actions. Humanoids of 5 or more HD
are not affected. A dazed subject is not stunned, so attackers get no
special advantage against it. After a creature has been dazed by this
spell, it is immune to the effects of this spell for 1 minute.

[LazarX]

It's still a Daze spell. So the Barbarian is immune to the Witch's spell. For all intents and purposes, a spell that appears on multiple lists remains identical.

[nosig]

LazarX wrote:

It's still a Daze spell. So the Barbarian is immune to the Witch's spell. For all intents and purposes, a spell that appears on multiple lists remains identical.

would the same be true if the spell were cast by two different persons?

[Happler]

nosig wrote:

LazarX wrote:

It's still a Daze spell. So the Barbarian is immune to the Witch's spell. For all intents and purposes, a spell that appears on multiple lists remains identical.

would the same be true if the spell were cast by two different persons?

Yes.

From the spell description:

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This spell clouds the mind of a humanoid creature with 4 or fewer Hit Dice so that it takes no actions. Humanoids of 5 or more HD are not affected. A dazed subject is not stunned, so attackers get no special advantage against it. After a creature has been dazed by this spell, it is immune to the effects of this spell for 1 minute.

It just says "immune to the effects of this spell for 1 minute." not "immune to the effects of this spell by this casters for 1 minute."

The spell does not care who cast it, just that it cannot effect that same target again for 1 minute.

[Grick]

Happler wrote:

It just says "immune to the effects of this spell for 1 minute." not "immune to the effects of this spell by this casters for 1 minute."

The spell does not care who cast it, just that it cannot effect that same target again for 1 minute.

Doesn't this conflict with the FAQ ruling on Hexes?

Basically, "this hex" refers to that hex cast by that particular witch, so why does "this spell" not do the same?

[Happler]

Grick wrote:

Happler wrote:

It just says "immune to the effects of this spell for 1 minute." not "immune to the effects of this spell by this casters for 1 minute."

The spell does not care who cast it, just that it cannot effect that same target again for 1 minute.

Doesn't this conflict with the FAQ ruling on Hexes?

Basically, "this hex" refers to that hex cast by that particular witch, so why does "this spell" not do the same?

Hexes and spells are different? That would be my best answer.

[Buri]

This spells specifies the creature is immune to the effects of the spell and not the spell itself. People can keep casting daze on it constantly for the next minute but it will not be affected has it has a temporary immunity to the effect of the spell per the spell description.

[nosig]

Thread Necro!

With all the "newer" classes able to cast this spell - I just want to be sure I have got a good handle on this.

If a PC is the target of a daze spell cast by a monster as a SLA, with a DC of 10 and he makes the save, is he then immune (for a minute) to another daze spell cast by a different monster (say a Sorcerer with a DC of 15)? and also immune to a third daze cast by a psychic?

Are all three spells (one a SLA, one an Arcane spell, and one a psychic spell, all having different DCs) all the same spell? All Daze, right?

Thanks!

[Saethori]

nosig wrote:

If a PC is the target of a daze spell cast by a monster as a SLA, with a DC of 10 and he makes the save, is he then immune (for a minute) to another daze spell cast by a different monster (say a Sorcerer with a DC of 15)? and also immune to a third daze cast by a psychic?

Emphasis mine. He only becomes immune to the effects of Daze if he is dazed by the spell, which does not happen until he actually fails a save. If he is making his saves, you can continue to cast Daze spells at him, and the first one to actually succeed is what dazes him and starts the timer of how long he is immune to the effects.

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Are all three spells (one a SLA, one an Arcane spell, and one a psychic spell, all having different DCs) all the same spell? All Daze, right?

They are all the same spell, no matter the casting method used to cast them. Arcane, Divine, Psychic, SLAs, doesn't matter. If it directly replicates the spell 'Daze', it follows all the rules of the spell, including the immunity to further castings of that spell.