So by RAW it seems Intimidate works against mindless undead and creatures of this kind, right? So you can use Shatter Defenses and the like on undead right? Did I miss something in the rules or is this the case by RAW? Immunity to mind-effecting effects does not work against Intimidate?
RAW, Shaken is not a fear or mind-affecting effect.
There are a ton of threads on this issue too. I know that I made one about undead and shaken. I have since changed views, but it is there!
I'd like to see you try to intimidate an ooze!
...no, seriously, it would really help us take down this ooze.
I take out my salt shaker, and shake it menacingly.
Wow, I never realized that fear effects were not listed anywhere as automatically being mind-affecting effects... nor that the mindless creature types had no immunity to fear.
Not sure if I feel horrified by this or if I have low enough scruples to take advantage of it with my raging drunk intimidating halfling.
Read over some past posts. Looks like another thing I'll have to house rule as I see fit. I was really hoping to keep the house rules at a minimum, but with some new feat combinations out there I have to address this kind of stuff or things get real stupid real fast.
If you want to keep houserules to a minimum, I'm sure your games will do just fine if undead can have fear put into their non-beating hearts.
Oozes I don't have to worry about. They're blind. To intimidate something, they have to be able to see and hear you.
I don't think I'm going to go strictly by immunity to mind-affecting affects. But more by a lack of an intelligence score. If something does not have an intelligence score like a zombie, you cannot intimidate it.
I may modify intimidate a little bit. All they use is size. But they provide so many modifiers to improve intimidate, it is fairly easy even with a base initimdate skill to intimdate something like a balor or ancient vampire. That gets a little bit goofy. Though I do have one fighter that spent feats and traits to be one scary SoB. I usually do play up that he is the most frightening person in the kingdom who can silence people with a mere look in their direction. Children cry when he gets even slightly angry. House servants start to shake when he takes notice of them. He's like the alpha in a prison.
I'll play it by ear. Mainly don't like the idea of things with no intelligence being intimidated. I'll probably stop there.