Two Weapon Fighting...Why can't I understand it.

[Sebacore]

Ok I feel really stupid asking this but for some reason I just cannot wrap my head around two weapon fighting.

Example:
8th level fighter
16 Str, 17 Dex, 12 Con, 10 Int, 10 Wis, 8 Cha

Using 2 +1 warhammers. Standard bonus is +14/+9

Character has the Weapon Focus, Gtr Weapon Focus, Two Weapon Fighting, and Improved Two Weapon Fighting.

So how many attack can he make in a full action and what are their bonuses.

Is it 4 attacks at +14/+14/+9/+9?

[Mahorfeus]

Almost.

Your standard bonus is +11, taking your BAB and Str bonus into account. Add in the Weapon Focuses and enhancement bonus, and you have +14.

However, you didn't take into account the penalties for two-weapon fighting. Since you're wielding two one-handed non-light weapons, that would be a -4.

So, if I'm correct, your total would come out to be:
+10/+10/+5/+5

[Grumpus]

I think you would be +10/+5 and +10/+5 with each weapon.

you suffer a -4 penalty on each hand. (if your off hand weapon is light then it would be -2 on each hand)

[pipedreamsam]

TWF gets penalties no matter what. The feats just considerably lessen the penalties.

Your bab is 8 + Str (3) + enhancement bonus (1) + your two feats + (2)=14.

Now we have to apply the penalties for TWF. Normally without feats your would take a -6 for your primary and a -10 for your off-hand (since your offhand weapon is not light). However you have the TWF feat which reduces it to -4 for each of your weapons. Improved TWF just grants you another attack with a -5 penalty (making it even with your lower bab).

Total attack bonus is +10/+10/+5/+5.

PS - are you forgetting about weapon training for another +1 or did you not specialize in hammers?

[Drakir2010]

Warhammers are one-handed weapons. As such, you'll be taking a 4 point penalty to hit with each hand while wielding them. Your final attack sequence will be +10/+10/+5/+5, as written.
Now if you do the same thing with a pair of +1 short swords, which are light weapons, then that penalty is cut to -2. In that case, you'll still have a +14/+9 single wield sequence, but a +12/+12/+7/+7 dual-wielding sequence.

[Darigaaz the Igniter]

Total full attack come to +11(1d8+5)/+11(1d8+3)/+6(1d8+5)/+6(1d8+3)
You forgot Weapon Training 1, which I'm assuming you used for your hammers.

Attack Bonus
8(Base Attack)+3(Str modifier)+1(Weapon Training)+1(weapon enhancement)+2(Weapon Focus and Greater Weapon Focus)-4(Using two one-handed weapons)

Number of attacks:
Base Attack Bonus = 8 gives you 2 with your primary hand. One at -0, one at -5
Two Weapon Fighting gives you one more with your off hand at -0
Improved TWF gives you another with your off hand at -5

Edit: NINJA'D!

[Sebacore]

Thanks everyone.

As for Weapon Training I am using the Two Weapon Fighter Archetype which removes that.

So the two extra attacks from TWF and ITWF don't grow when when you get another primary attack. Unless you take GTWF correct?

[Drakir2010]

That's right. Generally speaking, you only get one extra attack for wielding a second weapon. You need an extra feat for each attack beyond the first.

[Sebacore]

So at maximum you are only going to get three extra attacks from the whole TWF chain?

[Aelryinth]

yes.

==Aelryinth

[ryric]

Sebacore wrote:

As for Weapon Training I am using the Two Weapon Fighter Archetype which removes that.

You lose Weapon Training, but gain Twin Blades which gives you a +1 to hit and damage with a full attack with two weapons, so it would be +11/+11/+6/+6 on a full attack.