Want to build a Wiz 3/ Clr 3 / MyT 3. This seems likely to take some time, so I was wondering if anyone knew of one already statted.
Doug M.
LIKING THE IDEA BUT NEED MORE INFO, DO YOU HAVE A THEME IN MIND? WHAT IS AN ACCEPTABLE POINT BUY, WHAT RELIGIOUS BELIEFS ARE IMPORTANT FOR YOUR THEURGE?
Theme: the new PC's Evil Ex
Worshipper of Norgorber, except that recently she's turned away from that towards something else, possibly something even worse. (PC was figuring this out, so she arranged to have him shanghaied by a bunch of demon cultists.)
Emphasis is on Int over Wis. I'm thinking a certain amount of intellectual arrogance is part of the package. She was a wizard first.
Wizard side is either a Diviner or an Enchanter. Cleric side is Norgorber, though that may have just changed.
15 point buy.
I really have no idea how to build this character! It seems like you could go all sorts of different ways -- mind melter, touch monkey, ray-gal. And it definitely seems like you could get some powerful synergies. But I hardly know where to begin.
Doug M.
GIVE ME SOME TIME, BUT I CAN TELL YOU SHE DOES NOT DO MOST OF THE ASSKICKING HERSELF, SHE BUFFS HER SKELETAL CHAMPION COHORT AND SCREWS WITH HIM USING THE GLORY OF LOW LEVEL SPELLS.
WHAT RACE SHOULD SHE BE OR APPEAR TO BE?
DECIDED NOT TO MAKE HER SPELL LIST BUT SHE CAN SCRIBE ANY SPELL TO HER BOOK FOR FREE, AND IF YOUR PLAYERS KILL HER AND TAKE HER BOOK THE BOOK IS CONSIDERED BLANK, SO YOU DID NOT JUST HAND YOUR PLAYERS A BOOK OF FREE SPELLS. I BUDGETED A CLONE IN HER BUILD SO IF SHE DIES SHE CAN POP UP LATER. WHERE SHE KEEPS IT IS UP TO YOU, ITS NOT REALLY THE CLONER'S PROBLEM ANYMORE.
SHE STANDS A DECENT CHANCE OF COVERTLY TOUCHING PEOPLE, DAZING TOUCH CAN TURN A RAGING BARBARIAN INTO A STATUE UNBELIEVABLY EASILY. I WOULD OPEN UP BY SURROUNDING HER IN A CLOUD AND HAVING HER BUFF HER ANIMATED DEAD AND MINIONS BEFORE GOING INVISIBLE BEFORE SNEAKING OUT UNDER COVER OF INVISIBILITY TO WREAK HAVOC ON YOUR PLAYERS.
FIRST, PUT CLONE SOMEWHERE PLAYERS WILL FIND IT. THIS WILL POINT OUT A LOGICAL METHOD OF RECURRING AND GIVE YOUR PLAYERS THE SATISFACTION OF NIPPING THAT IN THE BUD.
SECOND, BUFF HER INT AND CHARISMA AND HAVE HER GO AFTER THE BARBARIAN WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE A WILL SAVE WORTH MENTIONING.
MINIONS, SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE ANIMATED UNDEAD FROM BOTH DIVINE AND ARCANE CLASSES, COMBINE THAT WITH 5 OR SO LEVEL ONE SERVANTS (I RECOMMEND COMMONERS WITH CRAFT AND PROFESSION SKILLS SHE WOULD FIND USEFUL) AND A 7TH LEVEL COHORT (GIVE HER A TANK) SHE SHOULD BE GOOD AT BUFFING HER OWN MINIONS AND WREAKING HAVOC ON YOUR PLAYERS AS SHE CAN GO INVISIBLE, SNEAK, DAZE AND LAUGH AS HER FRIENDS GANG UP ON THE GUY WHO CANNOT DEFEND HIMSELF.
WHEN SHE DECIDES NOT TO BE SUBTLE, I RECOMMEND SHE TRAVELS BY SEDAN CHAIR CARRIED BY ANIMATED DEAD, ITS JUST A VILLAIN ASCETIC THING.
AGAINST THE BARB, I SAY SCREW WITH HIS MIND, AGAINST THE MONK, I SAY CLOUD OF SMOKE AND HIDE, THEN GO AFTER HIS BOW. PROTECTION FROM ARROWS TOO, THIS IS A THEURGE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
WITH A SINGLE INVISIBILITY SPELL THIS WOMAN CAN HAVE A +41 STEALTH, USE IT.
So the next session is in two days. I have 48 hours to get this bad girl set up and statted out.
Here's a general thought: my PCs have been facing a lot of slam-bash heavy-damage action combats lately. I'd be happy with something a little more... tricky. Where it wasn't necessarily all about how many hit points you have left.
Mind, I have some PCs with stupid crazy high saving throws. So that's a thing.
Doug M.
To my knowledge dazing touch does not give a save or cancel invisibility, which allows you to screw people over pretty badly while her allies take advantage of them.
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Like the build for the Theurge. Only would sugguest 1 change. Damphir over Tiefling. Damphir's get away with looking more human that Tieflings usually, giving a misconception of what she really is, and additionally she won't need to worry about carrying around cure spells. Plus if she gets desperate enough to channel negative energy to harm she can heal herself in the process. I'd also snag quicken channel too, as it gives her a nice action economy. Finally, there is a feat, I think in the ultimate magic but it could be in ultimate combat, that doubles the number of undead you can controll.
Oh, one last thought, 1 scroll of Greater Invisibility. With her action economy from quicken channel she could do negative energy burst and a buff spell or attack spell with impunity.
And give the cohort enough ranks in spellcraft to detect measures that would hinder her from party casters. Let the brainless mooks die against the part frontliners and have the cohort ready to target party spell casters.
If you can, have her create or control a creature with a fear aura. Even better would be a bardic cohort with the Dirge of Doom performance. That applies the shaken effect for a -2 to all atks, saves, skill checks, and ability checks, all with no save.
That -2 may not sound like much, but when she starts flinging spells the penalty to saves will be felt.
Shadows are another good trick to consider. They can phase into the ground and thus be virtually undetectable until they come out to sap your PC's strength. Combine that with something that hinders the PC's ability to target them, such as a Fog Cloud, and you have yourself a pretty hard encounter.
All she has to do is stand back, de-buff your players in the 1st couple of rounds, go invis, and buff her minions. Furthermore, if you use the suggestion above to allow negative energy to heal you, you will also be healing your minions and hurting the PC's in the same breath, a win-win for her.
OK, DON'T FORGET SOME HEALTHY PRE BUFFING, FALSE LIFE AND AID ON YOURSELF TO MAKE IT SO YOU CAN SURVIVE BEING SLAPPED AROUND BY THE GOOD GUYS. HASTE YOUR MINIONS AND TOSS UP A PRAYER TO BOOST YOUR PEOPLE AND HINDER YOUR PLAYERS.
WHILE DHAMPIR IS INTERESTING, IT TAKES A CON HIT AND DOES NOT HAVE A BONUS TO ANY OF YOUR CASTY STATS, I FELT YOUR VILLIAN COULD BE A HUMAN WHO WAS CORRUPTED BY WHATEVER SHE ACTUALLY SERVES INTO A TIEFLING.