So, we have Aasimars, and Tieflings...

[Midnight_Angel]

Hmm... it seems that any human who has a good aligned outsider along his ancestry is considered Aasimar. Same for evil and Tiefling. So far, so good.

Just...

- what kind of creature would result from outsiders which are neither celestial nor fiendish? Axiomites (LN) / Aeons (N) / Proteans (CN)?

- is there any reason that such a 'stain' in the bloodline only seems to take hold in human genealogy?

[Icyshadow]

There were Neutral planetouched races in the older 3.5e books, but there haven't been any Pathfinder counterparts introduced yet. And if you ask me, the developers have either left it up to the players to make their own non-human planetouched or just are too lazy to do the stats themselves. There were Orc Tieflings (Tanarukk), Duergar Tieflings (Durzagon) and Elf Tieflings (Fey'ri) in 3.5e books such as Forgotten Realms and the third Monster Manual, so there's no doubt those (and other combinations, such as Aasimar Elves) probably exist in Golarion as well.

[Starglim]

Probably a sorcerer.

edit: Elves, dwarves and other humanoids qualify for the half-fiend and half-celestial templates, though their descendants with less planar influence haven't been described yet as separate races.

[Todd Stewart]

I've always assumed that baseline tieflings and aasimar are of mixed/muddled heritage, including multiple outsider bloodlines and/or multiple mortal race heritage. This was by default in 2e, and I don't think 3.x addressed it really but it implied at some point they were base human stock. Some instances in 3.x like the fey'ri from FR were the product of a specific true-breeding bloodline of elven tieflings.

I don't have a problem with having specific creatures for specific mortal bloodlines with fiends/celestials, but I like the idea of not assuming any particular mortal heritage for any given aasimar or tiefling.

[Lincoln Hills]

If planar taints were fairly common (and important) in your campaign, you'd probably want to devise 'variants' of aasimar (one each for agathion, azata, angel and archon blood) - the equivalent rules for tieflings were offered as a variant rule in pt. 1 of the Council of Thieves AP. Such a campaign focus would probably also justify the necessary time for such things as dwarves with azer blood or elves with fey or azata heritage.

I think the amount of use these rare hybrids would get in a regular campaign, however, wouldn't really justify the amount of time spent in determining all those stat-blocks. You'd be best off just treating exotic-planetouched stats when and if you need an NPC of that heritage and simply jotting down the racial mods/abilities you decided on, in case you ever need them again.

[Icyshadow]

Offering an alternate perspective to Lincoln's post, I say that if you want to determine all those stat-blocks, go ahead and do so. I think it could actually be kinda fun to do if you give it some thought. Also, rare hybrids should be an exception, but dwarves with azer blood doesn't sound too unusual, and also sounds pretty darn awesome if you ask me.

Off-topic: Why is everyone ignoring the latest threads I've made? :(

[Sissyl]

There was also a FR article that held Celadrins (aasimar elves, elves with eladrin blood), D'hin'hi (Halfling air genasi, halflings with djinn blood), and if I remember correctly, Azerblood dwarves (fire genasi dwarves), and worghest, a combination I am not sure about anymore.

[Icyshadow]

Worghest is basically a Tiefling Goblin. Also, thanks for reminding me of their existence, I bet a Worghest in Pathfinder would make for an awesome enemy (or a very unusual PC in some cases) due to not being as dumb as most of their goblin brethren. I also imagined them rising to leadership positions due to being related to beings that goblins more or less revere as gods.

[Sissyl]

Ah, right. Goblins with barghest blood, wasn't it?

[Icyshadow]

I forgot to say that. Yes, barghest.

[Aleron]

3.X actually did address this. I can't recall the book, but I know on our NWN server we used versions for all these.

Chaond - Slaadi blooded (generally some ancestor got a chest full of their eggs or something) or touched in some way by Limbo
Zenythri (might have spelled this one wrong) - The Lawful variant. I think in this case it isn't necessarily a direct bloodline but touched by the Plane of its denizens in some way.

There is also a couple others, Tuladhara (again, might have spelled this wrong but it is essentially the true neutral outsider type) and Shadowswyft (plane of shadow variant).

As a last note, Fey'ri aren't tieflings. They are Elven half fiends. Tiefling generally denotes a thinning of the bloodline, where Fey'ri generally have a very heavy fiendish taint (within a generation or two). Same idea for the Tanarruk race.

[Icyshadow]

Thanks for bringing the Chaond and Zenythri here, and apologies for the mistake on the Tanarukk and Fey'ri. Anyway, I'm adding Worghest to my list of "races I want to try out in Pathfinder", right next to the Holstaur (a race from a somewhat obscure source, ask about it at your own risk or check out the Advance Race Guide's archives where I had an older version of them).

[Aleron]

Thanks for correcting my spelling on Tanarukk. I have such a terrible time with race names! Not to mention Sniv...Snirf...the damned underground gnomes.

[Sissyl]

Tuladhara? I must have missed this. Please, if you have more information?

[blackbloodtroll]

Check out the alternate tieflings in Bastards of Eberus. You can look like whatever as well.

[Chuck Wright]

Aleron wrote:

Thanks for correcting my spelling on Tanarukk. I have such a terrible time with race names! Not to mention Sniv...Snirf...the damned underground gnomes.

Svirfneblin. :D

I looked it up to make sure I got the correct spelling and was pleasantly surprised that I did!

[Chuck Wright]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Check out the alternate tieflings in Bastards of Eberus. You can look like whatever as well.

An info-link for Bastards of Erebus.

[Set]

Midnight_Angel wrote:

- what kind of creature would result from outsiders which are neither celestial nor fiendish? Axiomites (LN) / Aeons (N) / Proteans (CN)?

My take on chaotic and lawful planetouched.

A planetouched humanoid race tied to Aeons (or Kytons or Rakshasa or Oni or whatever) could be very, very funky.

Ideally, any planetouched condition could be a template, so that one could have a tiefling/dwarf or an aasimar/halfling or something.

The super-fast-and-dirty way to do it without any work at all would just to be to make an 'elven aasimar' an elf with the celestial creature simple template.