Can rogues take 10 on use magic device?

[Bladeace]

Hello,
am I right in thinking that rogues can't take 10 on use magic device checks even with their advanced rogue talent that allows them to take 10 on skill checks? I thought I should double check before discounting the option.
Thanks!

[Trikk]

I agree.

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[Mort the Cleverly Named]

Correct. Skill Mastery only applies to adverse conditions. Take 10 can't be applied to Use Magic Device in any situation, adverse or not.

[blackbloodtroll]

The skill mastery talent? Yeah, if you have the talent, you can take 10 on use magic device. Best use of the talent, other than acrobatics.

[Trikk]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

The skill mastery talent? Yeah, if you have the talent, you can take 10 on use magic device. Best use of the talent, other than acrobatics.

I know you're just trolling, but before anyone takes you seriously:

Quote:

Skill Mastery

Prerequisite: Advanced talents

Benefit: The rogue becomes so confident in the use of certain skills that she can use them reliably even under adverse conditions. Upon gaining this ability, she selects a number of skills equal to 3 + her Intelligence modifier. When making a skill check with one of these skills, she may take 10 even if stress and distractions would normally prevent her from doing so.

Special: A rogue may gain this special ability multiple times, selecting additional skills for skill mastery to apply to each time.

[Nicos]

So, the answer is that normally you can´t take 10 with UMD, never, so Skill mastery do not apply?

[ShadowcatX]

Correct, no taking 10 with UMD, ever.

[blackbloodtroll]

I've never had a DM rule that way, but seems like they may be wrong. Acrobatics and stealth are still good.

[Trikk]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

I've never had a DM rule that way, but seems like they may be wrong. Acrobatics and stealth are still good.

Well, I guess I can see how they rule it otherwise. It's not like UMD is perfectly clear on whether or not your can take 10 or not:

Quote:

You cannot take 10 with this skill.